Fixing Market Monopoly

[Darkstrand]

There is nothing stopping you from creating your own market hub and all of the headaches it will no doubt cause you in doing so.

[Shai_Hulud]

No strong opinions here, but many of you are defining a “monopoly” in a way that practically cannot be met. The possibility of competition does not mean it’s not a monopoly. If all methods to compete with a suspected monopoly are impractical, then it’s probably a monopoly.

For example:
Let’s say I live in a very small country that does not allow the importation of petroleum. Further, let’s say I own all 5 of the oil-wells in the country. Everywhere has seen oil-exploration in the country, these are the only 5 viable wells. This clearly creates a monopoly within this country where I can charge almost whatever I want for oil.

It’s possible someone could convince me to sell one of these wells. But if I refuse to sell for less than 100x more than the well will produce over it’s productive life (at current monopolized prices) then this possibility fails to be practical, and thus does nothing to remove the label of “monopoly”.

A monopoly can definitely exist with a possibility of competition, if such is not practical.

[Malcolm_Arzadar]

You can:
Use a different citadel not owned by TEST
Use Jita 4-4
Build an alliance from the ground up to amass enough capital to wreck theirs and make your own
Complain that the capitalism video game is too capitalismy
Your choice

[Jerry_Falcone]

OMG OP, that is not a monopoly. and for the love of BOB use SPELLCHECK.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Makshima_Shogo

Wyk_Bathana:

OP
you are wrong
this is a sandbox. It is up to players to act. Not to CCP.
If a group a players manage to control markets around Jita, that’s because they did something for that.

It’s up to CCP to keep core mechanics balanced, and the players to leverage balanced mechanics to tilt things in their favour, not for the players to abuse broken mechanics.

This is not core mechanics, this is territory OP wants and can’t win so instead he is whining on the forums.

@ISD_Buldath This should be in C&P

[Dark_Lord_Trump]

@Jagabale

One of the things that i love in the game was impossible monopoly in any aspect in the game.

Look up the Organization of Technetium Exporting Corporations.

[slobo_slobovitch]

@Jagabale

One of the things that i love in the game was impossible monopoly in any aspect in the game.

You are wrong in your statement. In theory almost anything can be monopolized in eve, if enough players turn up to defend the monopoly, thats the core of the sanbox gameplay. Historicly there has been few noteworthy monopolies:

1. The OTEC agreement.
2. Ice interdiction
3. Guidance systems. While not really an monopoly, its still one of the most manipulated comodities on a cartel level. (research its history, I couldent find a good link in 2mins googling)

As for the Perimeter market, its a player run citadel, that can be brought down. Currently its profits are shared 1/3th to ph/test/goons and they will all defend it, so you could call it a monopoly in a sense. But I just cant see how this is bad or unintended gameplay in a sandbox? I mean theres tens of thousands of players backing it up, if you cant stomach it, do something about it. But dont ask ccp to do it for you.

[Jagabale]

For the thing you talk above is needed alote of ppl participate on daily basis. Even when is “Jita Burn” and killing every freighter is needed alote of ppl again on daily basis to be done. With Ice interdiction again is needed alote of ppl daily basis do be done (not only on one system) and so on , thats why this is History.

Monopoly in Perimeter is not needed ppl on daily basis thats why is wrong and is monopoly. Players can’t do anything about it. You can’t fight with broken mechanic and thats why CCP have to fix it.
As you said Keepstar in Perimeter is owned by top 1, 2 and 4 alliances in the game. How can you kill it or do something?
If you start talking about needed ppl for killing Azbels with market is not DAILY BASIS is 1 a week or less and is needed 10-15 ppl only.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Jagabale

Monopoly in Perimeter is not needed

Or in existence.

Why do you feel compelled to go there?

Is there a reason you arent telling us?

[Jagabale]

If you want to trade and don’t use Keepstar you are not competitive. For example: If you want to trade with PLEX the margin is not big and if you use Jita will lose money not to make some. For other items is the same. Broker’s fee make the diference. So if you want to trade you have to use Keepstar in Perimeter or not to trade at all. This is not a choise. When i sell items that i find or build i sell them in Jita no matter what, but if you want to trade you are lose.

[xxxTRUSTxxx]

@Jagabale

If you want to trade and don’t use Keepstar you are not competitive

so you already know the answer to your issue, join one of the stations controlling alliances or grab some friends and blow it up and stick your own station down. best of luck on whichever one you choose.

[Solonius_Rex]

@Jagabale

If you want to trade and don’t use Keepstar you are not competitive.

Again.

You can fix the market monopoly yourself.

Hire a bunch of friends and destroy the keepstar. Plop your own keepstar down. No more monopoly.

No one said it would be cheap. Or easy. And that’s why Test has it, because they paid, and got it, the hard way.

And if you can fix it, then it’s no longer a monopoly. And that’s how you fix it.

[Jagabale]

Sure… Hire a bunch of friends to kill Keepstar owned by more then 50% of total players in eve
Can be Fixed in 2 rows in code min_npc_brocker_tax = 0.5% and min_player_brocker_tax = 0.5% or whatever variable is called

I don’t want to be killed or removed or whatever… Just to have a choise whare to trade. As i said above always there will be lazy players and will prefer to use player market not to spent mounts to make perfekt trader.

I just want a simple thing CHOICE nothing more.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Im not paying more tax because you cant be bothered flying 2 jumps.

Fairly sure its an opinion held by more than 50% of the players of EvE too.

[Commander_Kane]

Well I’m lazy. I can buy skill injectors cheaper from the keepstar but I buy them in JITA because… 10mil extra is nothing.

I think you are giving that keepstar to much credit.

[Wander_Prian]

You already have a choice. As with most of Eve, choices come with consequences. What you want is to remove consequences from the table.

[Jagabale]

Does not bother me if i have to make 50 jumps.
Making NPC tax same like player tax will help to fix centralized market too. Different player will have bether stendings with different npc corps and will trade from different stations. Will have more dinamic in game. If ppl buy something with beter price from station (npc or player) from 1 or 10 jumps will have to fly and take it. This is not a bad thing.

Commander Kane i do the same. I don’t use keepstar for any trade or to buy something from there. But i talking if you want to be trader and to make money from trade. I dont thing about that before but now i have arount 50bil extra and want to do some trading and i saw the problem.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Jagabale

Making NPC tax same like player tax will help to fix centralized market too.

Fix? What are you on about.
That is how it is now.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Jagabale

i have arount 50bil extra and want to do some trading and i saw the problem.

So why not invest it somewhere that NEEDS a hub, not somewhere that has one?

[Jagabale]

Will thing about that but don’t fix the problem above.