Freighters are too cost effective to suicide gank. Need HP increase

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Lucas_Kell

I maintain that is an accurate representation of the opinions you have presented in other threads, when you keep calling anyone who plays PvE “farmer trash”.

No, that is just you posting idiotic straw man arguments.

Farmer trash declares that EVE is too difficult and they are entitled to maximum ISK per hour with no effort or risk. PvP is an obstacle that must be removed, as is every other form of adversity. They don’t care about overcoming challenges, they just want to be declared “winners” and then move on to “winning” the next game.

Legitimate PvE players engage in PvE activities but acknowledge that EVE is a PvP game where PvP can happen in any space and without consent. PvP is recognized as an opportunity for success, and adversity is what gives success in EVE genuine value that it doesn’t have in PvE-only games.

Please do not abuse legitimate PvE players by grouping them in with farmer trash to inflate the size of the farmer trash population. Legitimate PvE players don’t want your 100% safe farming game.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Neivasta_Keja_vos

It would have to be expensive since you’re basically loading up a tactical nuke in the cargo, but man would that be be satisfying to set off.

This is a valid point. Of course, because you are carrying WMDs into highsec having one fitted should be an immediate CONCORDing offense. But hey, when CONCORD destroys your ship to protect the residents of highsec at least your cargo won’t drop!

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Neivasta_Keja_vos

What actual change would freighters require to make them more reasonably defended?

Most of us don’t think they need to be more reasonably defended.

They need to make friends (or alts) and not insist on flying solo.

Or fly a DST.

The real solutions have been given, don’t use a closed parachute, open your mind, pull the rip cord.

[Neivasta_Keja_vos]

@Merin_Ryskin

having one fitted should be an immediate CONCORDing offense.

I wouldn’t go quite that far, I imagine something like.

Cargo Self Destruct Module (low slot)

• 5% Reduction to Cargo Hold

• Active Module (must be engaged before ship destruction)

• Reduces cargo drop rate by 15-35%

• Results in security status loss when used in empire space.

• As a result of the destruction, the pilot’s pod is destroyed in the process.

Heavy cost to use, but if you really want to stick it to the gankers, there you go.

[Ugren_Okaski]

@Neivasta_Keja_vos

Cargo Self Destruct Module (low slot)

• 5% Reduction to Cargo Hold
• Active Module (must be engaged before ship destruction)
• Reduces cargo drop rate by 15-35%
• Results in security status loss when used in empire space.
• As a result of the destruction, the pilot’s pod is destroyed in the process.

Also:

• Ship self-destructs upon cycle completion

[Salt_Foambreaker]

I call this the sore loser module.

IF I CAN’T HAVE IT NO ONE CAN WAAAAAAAA

[Neivasta_Keja_vos]

@Ugren_Okaski

Also:

• Ship self-destructs upon cycle completion

Makes sense to me

@Salt_Foambreaker

I call this the sore loser module.

When they absolutely cannot have your stuff.

[QuakeGod]

It also incinerates your pod, corpse, and implants…

[Neivasta_Keja_vos]

@QuakeGod

It also incinerates your pod, corpse, and implants…

Yes, included in the original

@Neivasta_Keja_vos

As a result of the destruction, the pilot’s pod is destroyed in the process.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Neivasta_Keja_vos

When they absolutely cannot have your stuff.

It became their stuff when you failed to come prepared to the fight.

[Neivasta_Keja_vos]

@Salt_Foambreaker

It became their stuff when you failed to come prepared to the fight.

We tried that argument, so many times. So I’m ok with seeing industrial pilots podding themselves because they didn’t want put in the extra effort.

[FairyTail_Omaristos]

@Lucas_Kell

come up from numerous different people

and because I alone disagree I am the majority…

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Lucas_Kell

The people you have called farmer trash haven’t been asking for that though.

That’s exactly what they have been asking for. Some of them have explicitly stated that what they want is for all PvP to be removed from highsec, the others keep lobbying for changes that move the game strongly in that direction even if they aren’t honest enough to admit it.

And wannabe PvP players like yourself need to acknowledge that PvE playstyles in EVE are valid and should be just as enjoyable and rewarding and PvP activities.

They are already. Plenty of people already make lots of ISK and have lots of fun doing PvE. What I oppose is the demands to make the game even easier so that people who suck at EVE can get meaningless participation trophies for “winning EVE”.

[Neivasta_Keja_vos]

@FairyTail_Omaristos

and because I alone disagree I am the majority…

Hey now just because you post more doesn’t make you the majority!

[FairyTail_Omaristos]

That was almost exactly the point I made. Gj.

[Neivasta_Keja_vos]

@Merin_Ryskin

Plenty of people already make lots of ISK and have lots of fun doing PvE

I make lots of isk and have fun doing PvE, and then some PvP animal comes along and destroys my ship so I can do it all over again.

Cycle of life right?

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Neivasta_Keja_vos

I make lots of isk and have fun doing PvE, and then some PvP animal comes along and destroys my ship so I can do it all over again.

Cycle of life right?

Exactly. The cycle of life is why you are able to make ISK at all doing PvE.

[Neivasta_Keja_vos]

This whole thread is the reason my mission tonight is to get on and gank a freighter with a squad.

[FairyTail_Omaristos]

Just because

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Lucas_Kell

Got any evidence for that?

You mean besides this thread??

Or maybe go search in Player Features for “bumping” there are 1000s of the same posts and all those people are gone, we are still here.

Or for real fun use Google and include “oldforums” in your search!