More barges with LESS tank.
Again, drives Omega (so you can multi-box) and Plex - which may or may not make CCP money, but I can’t believe they put in a real-money transaction that doesn’t make them money in some way.
Why?
I mean there is already an abundance of ore in high sec. There are countless systems with 19+ belts. You can fly around 5 minutes before downtime and there will be belt after belt completely untouched. And even the locals wont care who mines it.
The only situation in high sec where newbies will potentially be restricted is moons. And that only happens in 0.5 systems. Its a blip compared to all the other mining that goes on. And how exactly would they stop you mining it? Kick you from corp and gank you?
Newbies in high sec will hardly notice a difference. It feels like you are seeing it from a null point of view
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Great for industrialists that are making barges and catalysts no? Those destroyed ships need replaced.
I dont think this is bad at all. They still have to catch you. And if you dont mine near hubs, pay attention to local and employ good safe practices you shouldnt get caught often.
How does that drive omega? If you were flying a barge before you were omega anyway.
And from what ive heard from folk that have tested this on SISI the retriever and covetor have a bit MORE tank now. Its just the procurer thats down a little bit. Open to seeing that disproved though if you know something i dont.
no matter how much tank you put on the mining barges if you use the ore faction modules you are worth ganking. when one ore strip miner are pushing 500mil thats 1bil in just the high slots and the risk is not worth the reward with them. the tank increase only means that it will take 4 t2 fitted catalysts to kill instead of three. 1bil vs 50mil. some of the gankers also have there own manufacturing corp which cuts the cost of the cataylst. they also manufacture the ships they gank. then some groups extort you for a mining permit.
Ganking is way more profitable then anything else currently. I full expect an up tick in ganking. not saying ganking is bad. it has its uses. but really a 900mil profit from one kill.
CCP needs to add ORE faction lp stores and more agents in high sec. if you are going to push the player base to use them they can atleast open up the ability to get them.
can you name any other lp store modules that pushes 500mil. the ore stip miners will have 0 waste. they are going to be used buy players that do not know how high sec mechanics work.
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You think this will be common in high sec?
i see it all the time. i have to explain to new players that join my corp to not use those items.
I did get the price wrong a few days ago the ore strip miner was pushing 500mil. the market has come back down to 150mil each.
Im surprised.
As far as i can see the reduced waste and any increase to yield isnt worth the price tag. It certainly isnt needed. In most cases t2 versions are going to have you mining faster and leave more ore in belts than currently.
If someone choses to fit those then they are chosing to be a target. No sympathy here.
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But again…….I dont think this is a bad thing. Its creating content. Its giving players a choice.
the mechanic solves the problem of compression being entirely overpowered. In its current form, it is a totally free function that makes minerals massively more movable
I agree. its not worth it to use them and if you do get caught well thats on you.
You really think the majority of HS ore mined is newbies? I beg to differ. It’s mostly groups of Orcas that will happily trade a few Orcas for hulks and munch away.
Dramatic drop in nullsec, sure - but only of certain ore types, and even that’s speculative. There’s not enough R64 or R32 high end goo for people now, so all that extra (with max boosts, max yield, max skills etc) will be mined. All the extra Merc will be mined, again with max efficiency. Mid-grade moon goo and ice may be impacted, but like I say these materials aren’t exclusive in each individual pop, so my feeling is that the overall volumes on market won’t be impacted too much.
Don’t forget, the complaints here (fairly, though I personally think they are over-egged) are about ore mined per hour, per character. When looking at the macro level, we are looking at an entirely different calculus. Each toon may be dropping 50% of potential yield, but there’s enough isk there (2 trillion plus in the highly managed regions), along with enough players in those groups, that I doubt there’ll be too much impact on total volume.
You also fail to acknowledge the vast simplification of ice and gas logistics in HS, which is bound to have a significant impact also.
According to the spreadsheet the skiff is getting nerfed hard.
As for Omega - you need to mine in a fleet now, so there will be more multi-boxers, so there will be more Omega subs (can’t multi-box with Alpha).
Agreed on the ice and gas logistics also causing problems, but I do not personally do much gas mining, and tend not to sell my ice, so I’m not really qualified to speak on those two topics.
So, each toon may be dropping 50% total yield. So more people will multi-box to make up for it. So more Omega subscriptions in order to multi-box.
As I have stated over and over, there is nothing wrong with making changes to drive subscriptions - just don’t make it sound like it is some kind of miraculous wonder-patch.
I see a lot of posts about feeling forced into getting faction modules or banning people from using wasteful modules. I think that’s nonsense, everyone will just be using Modulated Strip Miner II with T2 Type B crystals which is the cheap highest yield option with a middle-ground 64% waste probability
so when you said Barges……….I was suppossed to interprate Exhumers 
And again folks that have actually tested this are saying it isnt that bad.
No you dont. Its a choice. Nobody needs to do anything. You could leave the game. You could continue to mine in an orca for a little less yield. You could sell the orca and buy some exhumers and team up with people in your corp to mine as a team. An orca boosting and you all tipping some ore from your buffed exhumers and bargeto offest the the orcas drone loss……and everyone being better off as a result.
But its very telling about the state of mining fleets etc that the default position is that if you cant do it solo you have to multibox.
You will get zero disagreement from me. That is the current state of mining, and this does nothing to address that - it in fact makes it more of an issue. Which is why I am absolutely convinced this is a push to drive more subscriptions - and there is nothing wrong with that.. I am not saying that ironically or sarcastically, there’s literally nothing wrong with a business looking to expand revenue. I’m pissed off because they’re representing it as a buff, when it is most definitely not.
PS: Yup, I screwed up there. Barges are not Exhumers.
Oh god, it’s like a one-track mind with you buddy!
That there are extra toons mining does not mean they have to be run by the same player.
Some will want to maintain their isk generation. I get that. Others will get some buddies along to mine with them.
You are also being deliberately obtuse on ice and gas; they are currently difficult due to no compression. Adding compression makes it easier to handle these items. Therefore, increase supply (with the other factors already mentioned) is likely, in my view.
If you disagree that’s fine! But please do try to keep up rather than assuming everyone agrees with your somewhat asinine and mostly unsubstantiated assumptions
Ice is already compressible - it will lose more in compression than ore will - all else being equal you will reduce overall yield for ice this way. As I said, I don’t do gas, so can’t speak for that.
As for others getting buddies to help, yes, that will absolutely happen - but that’s not why CCP made this change. They’re hoping for more Omega alts and more skill injector purchases.
And as I’ve said about 100 times already - that is not a bad thing. CCP needs revenue. Just don’t pretend this has any other reason for being than driving revenue and I’ll be fine with it.
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Why CCP made the change is pure speculation. It may be what you say it is but it’s by no means a fact.
As evidenced time and time again what CCP intends it’s changes to do and what they actually do don’t match up. Players love pointing out that CCP intended the rorqual to be one thing and then the players abused it and turned into sonething they never intended.
Is this the one time their intention is actually achieved because it marries in with your point of view? The first time in years they have actually been competent? My word
If my test on Singularity is right, you changed the Endurance from “Ice Mining Small Ship” into “PVP ship”? I assume that i’m not an old player and i’m not a good player at all… but i know something that you seems to not understand… you’re heading towards a wall. And I sincerely hope that the shock will bring you back to reality, Eve Online is not only your game, it is also the game of the player that you are scaring away.
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