You think EVE players are mindless mob without math skills? You do redistribution phase and shot at us with bunch of other “benefits” as smoke grenade to hide the incompetence? Jita blockade!
Constantly targeting casual player is going to hurt you in the long run. These changes are awful.
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The other problem is that if they add more ore and you use a faction miner, you now have enough to turn in missions without actually mining them.
After further testing with the changes done to the Orca…
Live mining: 262m3 / 60s no cost required + Belts are nicely spread can have multiple ores close by less drone travel
SISI mining: 196m3/60 seconds with the T2 compact industrial core , locked in place for 5 minutes , requires 562/5minutes units of heavy water , belts are very spread out LOTS of drone travel time , you’re lucky if you have 5 asteroids within 20 KM range.
If they wanted to kill the Orca / Rorqual mining that’s one way to do it , good job CCP you have suceeded.
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I learned today that Prospects are being nerfed into the ground because they, for one, mined too much and secondly, were used too much by successful miners. Because my group was too successful in cooperating and securing space and use it for what it was made, CCP now thinks that they need to punish this level of cooperation and force people to play a more frustrating game instead of having fun at what they are doing.
While CCP Rattati claims that he wants people to cooperate more, he also does not like the level of cooperation right now.
Very insightful.
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By making every new player harmful to the group/community they join.
Not really surprised by what you relaying here.
They should reduce or remove the fuel consumption of the industrial core module , make it so drones can carry more ore before they need to return to compensate for the insanely spread out ores which creates an absurd amount of travel time
I disagree with you there. Mining boost charges have always used heavy water, so this is just shifting where the heavy water is consumed, not adding additional requirements.
Drone mining not being worth it was their goal, so increasing drone usability would be going against that.
My issue comes with them removing gas from Ventures and giving it to Barges while very likely not giving Barges a buff for it. so instead of making more isk and risking more isk your just risking more isk while making the same isk because CCP Balance… bring the Venture in line to not be the single best gas huffer in the game. sure but essentially removing it from the profession like this is just mean.
for the current changes they are doing , not only to the Orca but to BELTS aswell this need to have some sort of balance otherwise there’s just no point , you won’t see Orcas anymore, will be mining barges and thats that.
I don’t know if you have seen the current state of asteroids belts on SISI but it’s atrocious, it makes sense to increase the boosts so other miner can easily reaches those far away asteroids, but for the Orca boosting trying to make a living with its drones ? nope not a chance. This is very bad. Porpoise will be use for fleet boosting instead btw it can also compress !!! and cost 25 times less than the Orca
CCP only listens to one thing and that thing is $$$
Unsubscribe from your Omega accounts and show them you’re serious.
I have had an Omega account for 16 years. I just cancelled my subscription on my main and on all my alts.
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I think these changes are great. The wailing and gnashing of teeth only confirm that for me.
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CCP Please,
Do not implement the waste or compression waste!
Remove these and increase the Rorqual boost buff and slightly increase the Orca boost buff and these changes are not that bad. Waste is such a terrible idea to implement to the game that its going to hurt it more than anything.
Just give the Rorqual it’s mining drone nerf, but to give us reason to keep it on field give it a massive, massive mining boost so that whether people are in fleet or using barges/exhumers it is more than worth risking the 7+ billion Rorqual. Same with the Orca, just not to an extend of the Rorqual.
Also, please bring back gas mining bonus to the mining frigates. They are sorely needed.
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Your no-solution proposal is not going to fix the problem.
Now, how many people who have the ISK to buy half a billion isk faction miners are going to do these non profitable mission agents ? They are that pricey because there aren’t many around in the first place. Even if someone with T2 miner was able to get a bit more than they need for the mission, and would collect the extra for future run, good for them.
Yet, they would still need to warp to the area and probably run at least one cycle to get the mission to complete.
I didn’t pose a solution, I simply stated a condition that could occur.
Your reply was even more useless then.
Just throwing in my two cents, and letting CCP know that some of the people complaining are not representative of all, nor possibly the majority either.
As a predominantly solo miner, who occasionally participates in or FC’s small mining fleets, I say this:
I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever with intensely over-privileged solo rorqual pilots, nor any pilot who with a rorqual or orca multiboxes entire fleets themselves. Their absolute greed is utterly revolting. It’s completely disheartening to see a giant whale and its school of fish come along and suck all the belts dry, and especially with the justified suspicion from the way it’s moving in unison, that it’s blatantly not a real fleet, but a single person…it just turns my stomach.
If such a thing were available to all, it might be a little less grotesque, although still somewhat so. But as others have pointed out, many players can’t compete because of hardware limitations. No one is arguing for equality of outcome. But equality of opportunity is a must for game balance. There must be a level playing field, and multibox abusers, whether they be miners or gankers, are just making a mockery of the game.
The fact that so many of them are covering their avarice by using new players or poorer players as a fig leaf is sickening, as is their self-glorifying assumption that they alone are the backbone of the economy. If they were to all suddenly vanish, the shortfalls would be made up for by smaller independent corps of the sort that use to be more prevalent, before these gluttons starved them out.
I’m generally happy with the changes. Expedition frigs are buffed, and so are barges and exhumers. I think the exhumers could do with being buffed a hell of a lot more to justify their price…the skiff should not have its tank nerfed, and the other two should have it boosted even more, but we’re going in the right direction mostly. As far as I can tell, the people complaining haven’t actually gone into the details, and are making kneejerk reactions. Most of this looks good for the small scale miners, who need a lot more help than the titanic gobblers who are protesting in Jita.
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I’m used to seeing around 2500 people on Jita, and there was over 6500 at some point today, “many” of them manifesting their disapproval. Do you really think those 4000 accounts above normal flying Jita are rorqual multiboxers ?
Exactly…
They are being nerfed. The Prospect in particular loses mining yield and gas harvesting yield. That is not a buff. If you can’t see that, you are blind and your positive opinion on these changes can be viewed as uninformed babbling.
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