“• We haven’t made a decision yet if waste should be taken into account in the industry index calculations. Feel free to discuss pros and cons in this thread.”
Type C mining crystals will be prone to abuse. If you are really put it in the game, at least give it drawbacks to the ones using it aggressively.
I already see where it can be abused by groups next to each other to artificially push ADMS which starts a positive feedback loop and increase spawns of ore anoms.
But if its allowed in lowsec or highsec I can see players in coordination with broken NPC mining fleets making areas literal deserts whether intentional or not.
I don’t see the benefit in Pochven, since its a death sentence to mine up there right now. WH space might be useful, but it can be used to deincentivize players for poking around in a WH site when all the anoms are mined out.
So I just kicked the tires on compression with a Porpoise on Sisi – Holly crap it’s painful.
The root here is that the compression widget only works with the main hold (600 m3 on the porpoise)… And the rock squeez-o-matic 8000 holds 15k m3, and NEEDS ~40k units of ore to run one cycle
The result is a VERY click intensive process:
drag ore to main hold,
hit enter for max transfer,
right click module reload,
and repeat 20-50 times (i lost count).
Some gotcha’s can also result if you load more than 600m3 extra ore into the squeeze-0-matic in that you have to either transfer another 30+ cargo holds into it OR you can go dock up, and unfit the module to drop the ammo into station inventory.
With the larger main holds on the orca / rorq this is a lot less problematic. But the restriction is dumb in the first place.
I get that auto-reload should only work from the main hold, but it’s not clear why you can’t drag from your ore hold straight to the module to load it up. I appreciate the on field compression, but this click intensity feels like a kick in the teeth.
KHAAN DRAKE > the new patch will and is designed to create more player conflict for them to make more profits! simple, Any asshat can arrive at an ice belt with a C type crystal and destroy your ability to profit off of it! 18X faster cycle time! say so long to me now!
Increasing the hold size, or - ugh - decreasing the number of hold-loads required to fill the hopper might work if they don’t want to give us the ability to load from the ore holds.
I had similar pains at the other end of the scale with a porpoise. I couldn’t keep up with a single retriever feeding the porp due to all the click work needed to get the compressor loaded.
I agree that the multiple extra holds is very dumb / silly…
The many types of compressors also just seems like something to make it harder to get set up to mine some place.
I hope you’re addicted to mobile depots.
Agreed , same with the Orca.
Disagree with you on that one. If the Rorqual or Orca is solo without a fleet to support let them mine at a good pace similar to an… un-boosted exhumer level.
If the Rorqual / Orca outpace a boosted exhumer then yeah there’s an issue. I have not played with a Rorqual so i cannot say if it can outpace a boosted exhumer or not. As for the Orca it cannot, it’s a little less than an un-boosted skiff level of mining.
Which was perfectly fine as it was… Somehow the people who complaints the most about solo Orca mining being efficient at mining was Multiboxing players… How Ironic and Hypocrite.
Holy ■■■■. someone has a brain. Thats what a command ship is. Not this god tier mining ship.
I got the mobile compression working on the Orca.
The problem is the price and train time, Why would i train for a rorqual now?
They already have a disadvantage: they will be the fastest to break.
eats more popcorn
And the ones you use to nuke the high value rocks. Honestly i wonder how bad civilian miners will hit them bc i could drop my orca and a ■■■■ ton of shitty ventures with civi miners on an enemy high sec moon. They cycle fast as ■■■■ even without boosts
it’s quite clear why it’s designed this way, because technical limitations. Whoever wrote the code for how those hangars and ammo loading work is long gone, probably for well over a decade. They literally cannot have this work any other way. I believe that this is one of many reasons compression cycle time is a poorly contrived idea, and I do not believe it can be salvaged. Waste, on the other hand, is an interesting concept, and if they make mining progression more organic and lower end ores worth mining, it won’t be so bad for new players. You don’t need to mine r64 as a brand new player, just like you don’t need to run level 5 missions with your Algos as a brand new player. Well, you shouldn’t have to, but due to lower end ores being nigh worthless to mine compared to almost any other activity you could do solo…
Remember: for frigates, only the Modulated Deep Core Miner can use crystals. And this miner is omega only. And it’s difficult to fit them into a Venture. Also, to use crystals you need to train the correspondent skill at least to level 3. So, if you are able to equip a bunch of Ventures with these lasers and have each pilot train the necessary skills, you shouldn’t be in Highsec in the first place.
The objective would be to use the most destructive method possible. Civi lasers cycle every few seconds or so. They’re also alpha compliant, and easily fit on ventures.
This update is designed to accelerate player conflict! for CCP profits ! say you make decent isk ice mining and another player shows up at your ice belt with c type mining crystals with an 18x cycle bonus! He can destroy the ice belt before you get half an orca load ! Do the math! i’ll be quitting before i see that happen! Bet on it!
OK, some further testing on SiSi… yeah I have no idea how I feel about these changes, more negative then positive I guess
Orca…drone nerf is roughly 115% for ice drones and roughly 40% for ore drones…PLUS wastage, so you losing even more. This is with compact indy core running so you also losing heavy water too. We all knew these nerfs were coming, but not this bad.
Exhumers…mmm yer still the same basically, as long you using faction modules to reduce wastage. They have buffed the hulk somehow, but dont know how. Spreadsheet only shows mack/skiff changes and boost bonuses on orca are the same and module numbers are the same…so nfi
Compression…meh, compress at station guys, lots easier haha.
The belts… rocks/ice blocks so big and look super close to each other, until you read that they are 110km away lol
What is with all the fuss with C type crystals, they offer a negative mining amount and have high wastage…its literally makes no sense using them…unless i’m reading its stats wrong
I dont know guys, I could bust the hulk out again but with this wastage thing, and no ehp buff to them I dont know if I could be bothered. I told myself i’ll unsub most of my accounts if orca nerf was over 40%…and it clearly is so yer…what to do. Will there be SP refunds for orca pilots? probably not. Hope CCP cuts back on a few of these nerfs, but I bet that wont happen.
And with boosts…well if the cycle times are screwed with again. A Civ Miner under boost can get to 5sec
But what concerns me is how this waste will screw up any mining event.
The future Winter Nexus is an alarming concern.
As well as any future Mining Event as well.