Well, it looks like nobody likes it…because its smoke and mirrors over a mining nerf…AGAIN. we asked for compression and an end to scarcity…you gave us needless waste, tedium, a hard nerf to our tank miners, orca, and rorq. You made drones useless, and failed to "dynamically " redistribute anything. Doubling veldspar is bullcrap. Tell us, will NPC null belts spawn empty twice as often or spawn twice as empty?
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the bonuses to drones have been removed from the Porpoise , Orca , Rorqual role bonus and industrial skill bonus , Instead they have been moved to the Industrial Core / Compact industrial Core with reduced effect. Still present just a bit less.
Similar to a Siege Module increasing traits of a ship , it’s the same deal for the drone mining
The c type crystal is primarily designed to create more Player conflict. Say some asshat flys up and wrecks your potential to profit from a belt by burning it up at 18x the speed. News flash, you are going to be pissed off! The days of peaceful mining in high sec are coming to a close! Profits from destruction rue the new days of Eve. Get a shrink it will be cheaper in the long run!
You are correct, I misremembered. It was Rattati and Goodfella. I apologize for the error, and will correct the comment.
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When does this patch drop?.. tomorrow?
Eve’s profit based algorithms make Facebook’s look like Ms Smith’s third grade spelling B Quiz!
Maybe it will be time to fix it but the unfortunate truth is that the most likely outcome is it will take years for them to actually do it… if ever. 
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Revisiting all cycle timers?
If by revisiting you mean, removing all cycle timers this could be decent, while still being a massive pain in the ass simply by having to ore into the hold of a rorqual on an athanor it cant dock in.
Reducing all cycle timers for the Orca?
Why on earth is this even an issue? No-one in their ever loving mind is going to siege up a totally defenseless 3+ billion isk capital ship anywhere but highsec?
Reducing cycle duration for the Orca
See my response regarding the Rorqual, this entire mechanic is an exercise in active stupidity
All Waste Probabilities will be revisited. We will be looking into using the same profile for drones as in modules.
WHY ON EARTH DO YOU THINK THE IDEA OF LETTING PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THERE LOSEING SOMETHING THEY CAN NEVER HAVE IS A GOOD THING???
You do not put candy on a shelf and tell a 4 year old they can only ever have half of it, and once they chose which half, your going to throw the other half in the garbage in front of them. Try it. See how that works out for you.
Ways to bring back gas harvesting bonuses to frigates. This might have a further effect of introducing Barges/Exhumers gas bonuses
This one makes me laugh, because it sounds to me like wormholers bitched too loudly that putting mining barges on grid was too dangerous, so they can go back to mining in warp stabilized frigates at the same rate… Hmmm…
• Potential increase of fitting attributes for Barges/Exhumers
Holy ■■■■, did someone at CCP try actually fitting a new barge and realize that they got hit with a nerfbat the size of a freight container?
• Adjusting the Porpoise main and specialized holds
Leaving the poor old prime still absolutely useless… (this change is actually kidna good, but im on a roll here)
• What the implication would be if we allow moon ore compression with a 90% efficiency in structures
People might actually ■■■■■■■ use it on the super shitty ore’s they really don’t care about. Anything valuable tho, people still wont give up 10% of their haul, they will just move it uncompressed as they already have been.
• Adding a PvP timer when Type C crystals are used in highsec.
Can you adjust this timer to also permanently remove all positive standings in nullsec as well, so we can awox the nerds that think this is funny?
• Changing the pre-requisites for Gas/Ice compression skills
This one here is one of my highest contentions, as im willing to bet most rorqual pilots currently in the air today are not exhumer pilots. There rorq alts, and have never trained crystals. So they will not be reciving Sp back from crystal compression, and now get to spend another 6 months (or whatever) training up those oh-so handy compression skills. ■■■■ that noise.
• Potential increase of high slots for the Orca and the Porpoise
Not sure why
Please re-read the all caps, as this is one of the main conetntions for alot of players. The “idea” of wastage is terriable. All of it. ANY of it. Terriable.
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geeze 1199 posts, when was the last time a forum thread had that many lmao
Let’s all take some time away from eve until january and see how much power we possess! That will put them in their proper place!
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The compressors are high slot, so your orca / porpoise is having bursts, remote reps, and compressors all vying for high slot placements.
There have been a few recently.
Best thing to come of this yet:
Not a rickroll
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They have once again assumed we are dumb ass gamers on a hamster wheel! Sandbox my ASS! Let’s put them on pause and assert our interests above theirs!
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Oh yes, I’m in favor.
Problem is @CCP_Rattati its not just the Rorqual you guys continue to crush with your "Good for the Majority changes " My corp has 1 rorqual its used for boosts and mining. We cant make much anymore because thanks to your last big mining nerf we cant get Trit up here in nullsec any longer we have to bring it up. These new changes are just another kick in the nads to all of us that like this type of game play. You lost alot of player when you started f-ing with the mining, this is going to loose you even more. If its problems with Multi boxing players running 5-6 rorquals, why dont you do what other games do and limits the number of clients allowed on each computer or only 1 rorqual online at a time via 1 computer. Will you explain that to all of us?
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Actaully THOSE guys with a fleet of 5+ dudes can adapt and come out ahead with these changes (after a ltitle reskilling/retooling of their fleet comp)
its the dude that’s got one, maybe 2 or 3 accounts. He’s totally ■■■■■■, as theres no way he can produce what he was producing, after the end of ‘scarcity’
Oh, and the newbro’s that will littarly be banned from shooting at moongoo at all until they skill up
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This is not a sandbox. This is an ant farm, and every time CCP gets bored, they shake the piss out of it just to see what happens.
(here’s a tip; after awhile, all the ■■■■■■■ ants die)
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Well now that the orca have a siege module that give bonuses to Mining Bursts and bonuses to shield boosters, why not give it bonuses to shield command burst too? and double the power grid output to allow the ship to use large cap booster this will make the ship capable of defend itself against a considerable amount of ship to justify the simple crazy idea of turn on the Compact Industrial Core and speaking of CIC! 15% bonus to mining burst isn’t enough to justify the HIGH risk of turn the CIC on, maybe 25% mining and shield command burst will make anyone take the risk, but for only 15%? nah that only make a difference of a few seconds and it will be MUCH better to keep the Orca aligned
Rorquals, Orca’s and Porpoises are not meant to be mining ships but command ships. Absolutely no reason for a command ship to be the best mining ship in the game. It should never have been and it was a mistake back then to make it the best mining ship in the game. In the end all it has done is increase afk mining, botters, and cheaters.
Now waste I absolutly think they should consider giving all the command ships the ability to reduce waste either by a command link or part of the passive bonus of having the ship in the fleet on grid with the miners.
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@CCP_Rattati, if I remember correctly thats all it used to be 6-7 years ago, so how can you call it a vision. Remeber there are still lots of us playing that remember the old days of mining. Then you guys started to screw with it more. You created this whole issue your selves, and now we get screwed again by CCP because of these changes. Your a wiping out a way of game play that started this game.
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