Game suggestions, mission system overhaul, newbro retention

I am not.

the “in a row” is from your imagination, not from my claim.

I spend less than 2H to have that amount of LPs.

That means this order is not interesting.
then what ? does it mean NO order is interesting ? No. It means, this specifically one order is not worth spending your LP+isks into.

What ? Did I say it was ?

Just because YOU suck, does not mean every other people who use them sucks as much as you do. I know its hard to realize, but the only issue I see in your argument is yourself.

Those numbers are massively off. However you can watch people streaming and fidn those who make money.
Protip : the people who actually make money won’t show you how. so it’s safe to assume that people like me always hide more than what we are willing to show you, and that streamers who make 300M/h actually are not making as much as they can do.

I am not. You just want to be spoonfed.
Mission farming in HS has the possibility to make 100M/h reliable isks, plus LP. You not making it is just you prefering to complain rather than improve.

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Show me the evidence. Because I’m not talking about being spoonfed. I’m talking about saving the playerbase of EVE. Being spoonfed is just your claim. So I am talking about changing game mechanics that would make it better for PVE corps living in high sec to retain their player base, and not have people run off to play other games for teh sake of pure boredom. EVE is dying whether you like it or not. Look at plex from 10 years ago. Then the game went into even mnore of a decline. Now it’s alpha’s. Now the game is declining even more.

All efforts to entice new players to play this game has been thwarted by this horrible game mechanic. Most newbies who come to play this game don’t want to be thrust into PVP land knowing they will loose their ships and modules. Most people who come to this game, are coming from other MMO’s where there is an established mission/quest system. Like it or not, EVE is still an MMO. It still needs things that give players the ability to somewhat safely grow. Abyssals are bad for newbies because of the timer associated with them. Sure a newbie can do scanning. But then that newbie will spend days or weeks inside the game, all by themselves, never really associating with a corp that can help them grow. Then they get bored because the game just feels too empty.

Do you realise that this is not for selfish reasons. This is for the sake of making EVE interesting and saving the game??

Also, yes you did claim that. You said in 1 hour, you ran 3 scarlets and 3 zazz. Those missions take 10-15 minutes to run, each. There’s no possible way you ran them while running other missions at the same time. Your claim is you ran them all in a row, in 1 single hour, and you got max drops every time. So what you are telling me is that you are a pathological liar. YOU ARE A LIAR. So get off this forum and take your BS somewhere else, OR PUT UP SOME EVIDENCE AND PROVE YOURSELF. Otherwise, stop arguing on this thread because your BS is paper thin and full of holes.

Yes you are. I even gave you the evidence, my wallet modification was real, not theoritical.

Here is more mission I did yesterday

2019.03.16 22:28:37 Agent Mission Reward Corporation Tax -X ISK 168 077 760 ISK [r] Corporation tax on mission rewards
2019.03.17 00:22:21 Agent Mission Time Bonus Reward Corporation Tax -X ISK 373 077 555 ISK [r] Corporation tax on mission bonus rewards

205M raw isks in 115min, that’s 106M/h - excluding all loots, and I made some 3 scarlets and 2 zazz I think. Also some more LP.

No. You made no effort but to claim here that you deserve more. My point is : you don’t.

6 at max, including talking to agent, dropping stuff, and getting the next mission.

No, that is YOUR claim. Especially I did not get max drop for zazz and I also said I usually drop less, so the unreliable drop was not counted into my isk/h.

No. YOU claim it’s not possible, I tell you it is. You are so used to spoon feeding that you want the money but not to search for it.
the solution is available to anybody, I’m not even hiding something secret. You just are too lazy to search for it and instead claim that, because you are so lazy, it does not exist.

You are a pity.

You dont NEED to run any other missions, nor there is any need to full clear them. So it is a L2P issue and nothing needs to be buffed for oblivious/lazy people.

I WANT VIDEO EVIDENCE. UNTIL THEN YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOTHING BUT A LIE.

I DON’T GIVE A CUFK. I GAVE YOU EVIDENCE AND NOW YOU STILL COMPLAIN. ALL YOU WANT IS COMPLAIN THAT THE SPOON IS NOT BIG ENOUGH . THE MATTER IS YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH TOO MUCH, NOT THE SPOON.

No YOU are the one arguing against my proposed changes, stating that you can make 100 mil an hour per toon??? SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE. I’m getting sick of your numbers and your garbage posting. I want to SEE FOR MYSELF your 100 mil an hour. It should be EASY right?? I mean, you can consistently make 100 mil an hour with ONE TOON, NO PROBLEM AT ALL right? So SHOW ME A VIDEO OF YOU DOING THAT. And then I will shut my mouth

No, I already gave you evidence as of my wallet modifications twice (I have no entry besides bounties and rewards on that time frame). THAT is evidence, and now you want to be spoonfed.

■■■■ off. Seriously. I realize now that unless I give you 100M per hour you won’t be satisfied(and even so …). But actually I don’t care : I just tell anyone with a brain that it’s possible to do much more than 100M/h in HS. believe me or not, you are wrong.
Your whole argument is based on the impossibility to do so - thus you are completely wrong.

More fluff. PROVIDE A LINK TO YOUR VIDEO. You are a LIAR.

I’m waiting.

Never. I’ll keep repeating you have no idea about what you’re talking about, and as such your opinion is irrelevant.

Now I’ll go back doing missions, isks won’t generate themselves alone.

Cry more, noob.

Sounds like you’re the salty one. You make a lot of claims with zero evidence. And I know you are lying because well, after 13 years of EVE, I kinda know my way around the mission system. If solo mission runners were able to make 100 mil an hour, then CCP would be jumping all over it, as that is about just under the income rate for a fleet of vanguard runners. So you are either illegally exploiting the game, or you are lying. I believe it’s the latter.

And it’s sad, because all you can see out of it is isk income. I want these changes for so much more. Yes, mission runners should be making better isk. And people who illegally exploit the mission system should be banned. Average income for a fully fit marauder with implants and skills is 20-30 mil an hour running L4’s. I don’t know how you manage to cheat the mission system to consistently get the most lucrative missions one after the other. Because a lot of your 100mil/hour is based on getting specific implants from Zazz and Scarlet, over and over and over. So like I said, YOU ARE LYING. And I would like to see a 2 hour video of you running missions, solo, with 1 box, NOT multibox, pulling the missions and only turning one every 4 hours down, and you tell me. If your mission run breaks because you get a couple faction missions in a row? Well sucks for you then doesn’t it. There goes your 100 mil an hour. That’s why I say, for someone who lives the mission life, yes. You CAN get lucky. But most of the time you are running the crap missions you get 80% of the time. You are wasting your time flying around, you are not that well rewarded. Yes it takes 5 minutes to run them. But if you get 6 or 7 a row, there goes your income.

The thing is, the only real steady and stable income generation there is IN THE GAME, is nullsec anomalies and moon mining. Even incursions, while fleeted and running which makes steady income, also has its shortcoming. Some incursions are far away and it takes time to get to them. A lot of times fleets will pause for half an hour/45 minutes. Then fleets go down. You get there, run for 30 minutes and the fleet shuts down till the next day. There are other communities but now we are talking different ships and different tank types, it all costs a huge amount of money and time spent setting up. Whereas in null sec, you can undock from your citadel, warp to the nearest anomaly, and harvest bounties. And THAT is a steady 60 mil an hour.

The income rates from missions don’t need to be boosted a huge amount. Just stabilised. If being able to select the best missions over and over nets you about 60 mil an hour, then hell with it. Why not??? Because to get that kind of income you basically need to be flying a marauder. You need to be a very skilled pilot to get that income. Out of missions, through my proposed changes. In the meanwhile…

Now corps are able to keep newbies entertained. Fleets will be going up a lot more often within corps. You will start seeing corp run incursion groups. People will be coming to this game for the first time and getting in one the fleet action. People will be interacting with people a lot more. Corps will grow stronger as newbies learn how to work the game. Yes there will be abyssals and anomalies, but you are missing the point of the matter. This is to get people working together, increasing player retention. New players who can see they are able to make consistent money will actually feel like they have something to compete for. Your ideology of rejecting anyone from playing EVE who wants to run missions and do the PVE content is sick. It’s no wonder the player base is shrinking. Too many people like you want people who the PVE to suffer. And BE FORCED to run the pvp/solo side of the game.

No you don’t.
You literally proved you have no idea about how it works.

Show me your evidence proving otherwise.

That would be a decrease. A huge one.

No. Those efforts are yours to make.

Here is however an evidence that you are ignorant :

I would very happily produce a video and prove it. I will even compress a lot of it so you can see what’s happening. The funny thing is, it would all be true. There would be no arguing it.

For example:
In Amarr trade hub, a navy omen costs 240K LP. It requires a chip, 6.5 mil. So that’s about 50 hours of grinding to reach that 240K LP. It’s a LOT of grinding. The cheapest price of it on the market is 77 mil. The best buy order is 72 mil. So say I flogged it for 72 mil. That means I spent 50 hours of grinding for that 72 mil. 72 / 50 is about 1.3. So that’s how much mil PER HOUR you are actually getting in LP. 1.3 mil. It’s pretty simple math. The LP store isn’t this insane cash cow that you can every 6 missions cash in for another 50 mil. That’s why I say, PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE.

Next weekend I will make the video and post it.

That would just prove that you suck.
Seriously.
I just searched 30s and found an evidence that you are an ignorant.

What ? No.

anyhow if you consider BAD offers of course it will suck. I personnally consider ALL LP offers at the same time, and find the best ones.
Of course if you pick a random one you have great chance to have a BAD offer.

How are you even making it an argument ?!? You pick something bad and then claim that EVERYTHING is bad ? Nonsense.

I concur with @Anderson_Geten that you are hugely mistaken about your knowledge of mission system.

and this part proves it more than anything else.

I’ll throw you a bone:
check requirements to run lvl 4 missions
check penalties you get for declining more than 1 mission in 4 hours
think.

You should not.
With his behavior he does not deserve any help. He could have searched for himself and found solution looong before I even posted. He just want to be given highest isk/h with no effort, all his claims he made on this post are lies.

He knows he is wrong, he’s just claiming false things to get complete how-to. Ignoring there are already very good how-to available.

Sorry, i had to stop heated argument and name calling between you two or else this (tasty) thread would have been locked.

Do it, you promised.