In other words, no proof, just an opinion.
Ah, the eponymous ‘most people’. Is that the ‘most people’ who are mining AFK and thus not really even legitimately playing the game, or the ‘most people’ like me who have never been ganked in over a year of mining because we are paying attention ?
Oh…maybe you want some special deal between Netflix and CCP. You know, a message that pops up in the middle of Stranger Things…‘Ahem, sorry to disturb you, but back in Eve a bunch of gankers entered the system you were AFK mining in’.
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If they got ganked, they were AFK.
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Read the mining permit
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Read the Code and follow what it teaches, you will never lose a mining ship in highsec again.
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And what exactly should they risk? Can you explain me when it would this be balanced in your opinion?
We are using cheap ships because two reasons:
- we want to make profit doing this, OR we want to not lose too much ISK doing it
- due to how EVE works larger ships generally doesn’t really offer that much dps increase
Also, there is never going to be a “risk” if there is guaranteed loss by definition. We always lose our ship no matter what, so why should we bring a blinged ship to gank your venture with?
Look at this gank: Hulk | Patrick Beyer | Killmail | zKillboard whoever did this invested 2.8billion to gank them, because that is how tanky barges/exhumers became. Is this still balanced to you? Or should the cost of the gank be even higher in your opinion? And can you explain why?
Also, CCP with latest changes and their reasoning considers ganking without profit to be a griefing which is a bannable offense, so basically they are forcing us to use the cheapest ships possible for the job by this new announcement. If we won’t gain some profit doing this we can be banned lol. BUT that doesn’t align with a view of many gank-haters like you who belive that gankers should never make ISKs by ganking. Tough call.
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Actually I have been in the ganker channel when gankees have admitted mining AFK. There are also even admissions of it right here on this forum. And I know from corp chat that some mine AFK. I have more than enough evidence of AFK mining…so I don’t care if some irrelevant person believes it.
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ISK does not make you happy, it just makes you comfortable in your misery.
Let your hair down young kell, blow some ISK and have some FUN.
That is good, now send me 1 billion.
Why do they advertise Eve as an open world where you have the ‘freedom’ to do what you like ? It doesn’t say ‘do what you like…except ganking Ventures’.
But bringing a Titan to highsec is ‘against the actual rules’ and is physically prevented. Ganking Ventures isn’t. Personally…I’ve had lots of opportunities to gank Ventures, especially noob ones, and not taken them. It’s not really my style, is a better way of putting it, rather than saying I am for or against it.
Eve is full of ‘why would anyone do that…’. Why would anyone pay over £1000 rl money for a rare ship ? Why would anyone want to spend hours a day watching a mining laser ? And so on. But it is precisely all those ‘why would anyone…’ that make the game great, as it is full of crazy people with different things that make them happy, and we’re not all identical clones going around in grey uniforms doing the same thing. Long may the ‘why would anyone…’ continue !
NO. NO. NO. Ventures are needed for training. They are caught in low sec, webbed and scrammed then held for newbies to execute and develop their taste for blood, they serve a purpose.
Why do you pretend I was talking about only one of those groups ?
Yes, that would be nice. Not to have a message, but to have a mining activity that does not require you to be sleeping ducks.
Therefore
Well it seems obvious that if they can make more money, they should risk more.
A lot of actions can be taken, from making concord random timer, to reducing loot chance
for one reason : efficiency.
Indeed. We could (this is not should) imagine having to use 40M “cores” in your ship to enable safety red in HS. With each ship being able to carry only one or two cores, so you need to come back (with an alt) and loot your own cores to make the operation worthwile.
Basically, changing the gameplay so it adds risks. Not being risky is not a requirement for ganking.
He meant suicide ganking, like most people mean in the present context.
Ok so you are just another troll who is not here to discuss in a good faith. Blocking you as well.
Hey Vokan, u know I like you so some quick notes (don’t have much time this week, too much work):
The guys who killed this Hulk obviously didn’t “invest 2.8b to gank him”. What they fielded was a Smartbomb-Praxis Fleet that was designed to kill a Mining Fleet of like 20-30 Barges/Exhumers at once. I didn’t check the related kills if their other targets escaped or not, but the reason for their “investment” is absolutely not the eHP Buff, so don’t call it “because thats is how tanky barges/exhumers became”. That is pretty much unrelated. Unfortunately you can waste such an entire SB-Gankfleet if your scout just fails to give you a good warpin. Happened to me as well.
You can have plenty of PvP in Lowsec, but its an entirely different PvP than you might know from HighSec. I am not surprised that your try didn’t work out, because most people in LS know about the dangers and pay attention, of course they don’t let you catch them easily. The whole approach to try PvP in an Astero and trying get people by surprise and then winning the fight will not work very well there.
If you want to have nice PvP in Lowsec you need to put yourself to risk. Fly a non-cloaked ship, easily engagable for a wide array of enemies. Like a simple Rupture, Stabber, Omen, Vexor or whatever. Or even Atron, Punisher, Rifter… there are plenty of streamers that show how it works. The problem might be: You will not win very often (at least not in the beginning) and it won’t be “efficient” for sure. Thats the main difference from HS-ganking: You can’t plan everything ahead and make sure you come out on top. Thats why it is so much more difficult to master. But it can be extremely rewarding (not financially) if you win fights with perfect excercize, creative fitting ideas or nice positioning.
You should try it again. Look for a nice corp and let them teach you. It’s worth it.
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Yes indeed that is correct. I didn’t mention it, but I was not trying to hide this fact and I did notice this, in fact the large number of ganked barges at the very same time is why I noticed this on zkill.
What I want to say here is that, because the buff, it takes more than double the previous numbers to kill single barge/exhumer. And due to that, when someone brings a 20 barges fleet onto your moon belt to steal your ore, you can now basically klll one one ship at the time. This group could pull of maybe three hulk+mack+cov. Then, if the miner is not using bad software that keep mining despite some ships have been ganked (and I saw this twice recently, and they still weren’t banned!) its over, they will avoid you. In best case they leave system which in the scenario I presented is a win, but they can also just warp to station when the gank alts shows up on dscan and warp back when you give up (because you can either gank or mine right?). These guys (I hope because if this was one guy multiboxing then he cheated to do this) decided to kill them all in one sweep. It costed them 2.8bil and they could not get much ISK back as the price is mostly the hull itself and they destroyed what 1bil of ships?
If the barges/exhumers weren’t buffed this hard you could pull this off with just catalysts, hecates or half the praxises, but it is as it is and my point stands.
But then why can’t they do likewise in highsec ? I have never been ganked while mining…especially not in a Venture. For a clued up Venture pilot to avoid being ganked is really very easy. In fact so much so that I even got 2 kill rights from failed gank attempts on me the few times gankers did warp in unexpectedly.
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