OK, so is it not then feasible that while more new characters are actually alts, the alts are less likely to be the ones ganks as the players controlling them knows how to avoid it?
It doesn’t matter if only 1 in 10 new characters are new players if many of the new character ganks are coming from that 1 in 10.
Props to Altara to dodge any of your questions, which never were genuine nor honest questions. For a while I told Altara it wasn’t you. But as this thread progresses with a more than familiar Kellian flow: @Altara_Zemara , you were right, but he won’t get an offer for a beer. This time he plays dirty.
As to you Elizabet, or whoever you claim to be, I have a few choice questions for you:
Try to dodge those.
Sure. None of my more recent ‘noobs’ have been ganked. I have 9 characters and only 1 ( my very original character ) has ever been ganked…a few weeks into the game.
Did it make me feel like leaving the game ? No. Not in the least. In fact up to that point I was getting bored of mining and ratting ( I was ganked while ratting ) and the gank was like ‘WTF just happened ?’ and I was more intrigued than anything. And I developed a sort of Khan like desire for revenge…and that is what kept me in a game I would otherwise have left from boredom.
Oh…and do stop changing your posts after people have replied to them.
It is a genuine question.
It’s not about “capable” that’s just a way to asset superiority.
Would you agree that the market for MMOs 20 years ago was mainly made up of heavy gamers, people who gamed for long session times and really got into MMO, while modern MMO markets include a lot more casual players?
Would you agree that there are more MMOs in the market now than there were 20 years ago?
I think that the answer to both is “Yes” and it’s a combination of those factors that mean MMOs need to change to attract players in the modern market.
So then using you as a measure, new players are likely to be ganked at least 9 times more often than new alts?
That’s a genuine bs reply from you. You paint the new generation of players as totally incapable of coping with a game like EvE from the very start.
Asset superiority, you really are hilarious.
And no one will fail to see why you dodged those questions: the new generation is not different from the older ones, they are still human beings with the same capabilities. That makes all of your arguments completely baseless. And you know it.
I fail to see what point you are labouring to make…other than the suspicion there’s some fallacious ‘gotcha !’ down the road.
I didn’t dodge the questions, I answered them. I just disagreed with your categorisation of them as being incapable of learning to play. I don’t think they are incapable, I just don’t think they see it as worthwhile when there are so many better options.
When have I painted them as incapable? I’m actually curious about this because I don’t remember that.
The point was already made. New players are more likely to be ganked than new alts, so saying that a lot of new characters are alts doesn’t mean much.
Then if what you claim is true, by all means, let them play their better options, and leave us in peace in the game we love without having to cope with the constant whining on forums and the distractions to the community and the devs alike.
Yeah, more than a suggestive whiff of Kellianism in your posts.
If the point had already been made then you wouldn’t still be asking questions to try to trap me into a corner…
“If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools” ( Kipling )
It’s not about what we let them do or don’t let them do, it’s about what CCP do for the longevity of the game. They will make changes and I just think it would be better if existing players could constructively help them.
Altara, I’m not trying to trap you anywhere. I don’t play about like that.
The famous Carl Sagan once described two types of person when it comes to arguing or debating issues…
And he pointed out how utterly futile it is having any kind of a discussion with (2).
I should heed his advice.
Given the uniqueness of this game, as long as the designers don’t repeat the awful mistakes they made in the last couple of years, we’re off into the third decade without issues. Perhaps you’ve also missed the current flow on the market, even amongst the youngest generations, that older style games become a lot more popular again, hehehe.
If you want to go down a different road, and take our game with you, I’d be happy to help you find an other game on Steam instead.
Unfortunately, your post from yesterday, where you say that veterans stand in the way of progress in the game’s development, got deleted. Perhaps you should rewrite it, in all its revealing glory.
I once got ganked by an orca it was funny a ■■■■ when concord killed them
Without issues? There are already issues.
What is it with you people and trying to tell people they need to go play other games if they don’t agree with you? It’s not even like I’ve made any wild suggestions, just that I agree with CCPs choices so far.
You’re a veteran and you’re telling me to stop playing EVE and go play something else because I like CCPs current development direction with regards to highsec PvP and you don’t. I stand by my statement that veterans are standing in the way if you’re a typical veteran.
lulz because
Right ?
Oops, you did it again. Sorry Lucas, and no way of editing yourself out of it. 
Still not that guy, and the changes they made are not their direction. They’re one step in a journey. I’d encourage you to listen to developers on places TiS. I think it’s obvious to everyone that the current changes did not meet their goal as their goal was to reduce new player ganking but the current changes did not accomplish that.
We’re not getting anywhere here so I’m moving on. I’m not going to sit here and be insulted.
in the wrong direction then ? I see… Just pointless stepping, you say ? Okay
Like I told you in other threads over the last year, there are many ways to reduce new player ganking. Making pvp in hisec impossible is just about the least valuable on the list, the “throwing my arms in the air” twitch that hopefully not a single game designer would ever seriously consider.
I’m pretty sure it doesn’t take 2000 posts to say ’ I agree with CCPs choices so far’. I’m equally as sure nobody missed it when you said it the first time. Do we really need some Nietzsche type endlessly reccurring groundhog day on the matter that sails around the forum like the Flying Dutchman until the end of time ?
Have we even spoken at all before this thread? I usually avoid ganking thread and this has been an example why. It seems there are many veterans that get far to upset over the subject. I haven’t suggested making highsec PvP impossible.
I’m going to block you now as I really don’t appreciate being insulted, but I wish you well.
By all means, block me. It will reduce my typing to only commenting on your posts instead of discussing with you, or rather lay bare the fallacies or dishonesty of your arguments. At least you don’t claim that I insulted a major part of the player base - that’s what I claim you did…
If you had any genuine desire to discuss the matter of ganking in an honest way, you’d inform yourself about other possible ways to reduce it. Right ?