Ganking funerals - crossing a line, or true to the spirit of EVE?

No-one says Counter-strike is about PVP but you read EVE is about PVP all the time

Why is that?

It probably has something to do with the intelligence of the average Counter-Strike enjoyer being higher than that of the average EVE miner. The former simply doesn’t require a macro-level explanation of the game they’re playing, while the latter requires it to be drilled into their head repeatedly because they have the attention span of a gerbil.

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I was told that only sophisticated and intelligent people play EVE online

The majority of EVE’s player base consists of semi-retired boomers who clicked through on EVE ads while watching their favorite Star Trek: TNG clips on YouTube. Think Bob, the 58-year-old assistant manager at the carpet dealership in Boise, Idaho. With a lukewarm IQ of 98. Which is to say, your decidedly-average, run-of-the-mill middle-classer whose biggest hardship in life was that time they ran out of steak at Chipotle.

And that’s why they cry so hard every time someone dunks their $0.27 mining barge in high-sec. I raid in Hardcore Classic, and when people lose characters they spent 300 hours leveling and gearing out, they don’t complain even 1% as much as these EVE “players” do when they lose a ship that takes about half an hour of mostly-watching-Netflix time to replace. Their minds can’t even begin to reconcile such a minor degree of adversity and competition. They aren’t gamers. And they certainly aren’t interesting people. All they’re conditioned to do is eat/■■■■/work/sleep until it’s off to the retirement home for them, and EVE somehow accidentally fits into all of this, to its considerable detriment as an open-world PvP MMO.

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I assume you are speculating

Some people in the related reddit thread stated as such and that they will hunt down the guy (in-game). Not sure how many will follow through if any at all though.

But the thing is think about it, if anything the guy just enjoys the attention and additional PvP opportunity.

Worst case will hop onto an alt and do whatever he wants to do without anyone knowing he is the same person.

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Some absolute nonsense arguments here.

Nobody expects everyone to ‘stop playing’. Actively seeking out this funeral event and ganking it is not something people have to do to play the game, it’s a sad way of stopping someone being remembered by those who knew them,

As usual, the toxicity of this userbase is the problem.

The player died in real life and gankers had a funeral?

Sounds like dark sarcasm or an enjoyment of the person dying in real life so that the gankers can appear to be, holy in game.

Ganking a funeral in game should be a bannana offense.

Is Dryson gonna protect my funeral?

Only if it’s held in Uedama. :smirk: :face_with_hand_over_mouth: :innocent:

There’s a difference between “there’s a potential for PvP in EVE anywhere, anytime” and frequent cries of “EVE is all about PvP”.

The former is true. The latter you pretty much only hear from gankers who’re posing and trying to be edgy and convince other people they’re doing something brave, bold and impressive. They want their niche of a niche of a niche activity to be viewed as utterly fundamental to EVE, just as they view themselves as mighty warriors.

As opposed to vultures hiding in high sec while they farm ISK safely and easily. Which is what’s actually going on.

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EVE isn’t a funeral home; it’s a multiplayer video game. It’s not toxic to play the game according to its rules and regulations. You’re only using this label because it’s a matter of convenience for you personally. You want other players to operate under not only the game’s rules, but a special set of personal rules you’ve created as well.

Conflating the concept of toxicity with not merely the way a person acts, but whether or not they follow your personal moral code is disingenuous. Carebears use this tactic to try to extract concessions out of everyone around them for personal gain.

“Don’t shoot us, we’re having a funeral!”
“Don’t destroy my ship, I have a heart condition!”
“Give me back my items, I’m a disabled war veteran on public assistance and can’t replace it!”

It’s pretty much all the same thing. If we chose to follow these demands just to not be labeled toxic, the kill board wouldn’t have even a tenth of its activity.

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Well it isn’t. That’s the point here. You know it isn’t, and equating someone going out of their way to disrupt a showing of respect to someone who has died IRL with the argument about ganking generally is just classic Eve forum garbage. If you can’t see - or more likely, simply will not concede - the difference, then yes, you are part of the toxicity.

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“You’re not allowed to attack me in this game because of [insert RL reason]” sounds pretty toxic to me.

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You seem salty about gankers - what’s the deal?

It’s just a game, calm down.

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You have no way of proving one way or another whether the person was attacking the funeral specifically to disrupt a showing of respect for someone who passed away, or if they simply thought that it was a good opportunity for PvP and source of plentiful targets. This is total conjecture on your part.

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You have no way of verifying the person even died.

Why respect a funeral which may very well be fake?

The virtue signalling is nice and all, but there is no practical way to verify that a funeral is legitimate, and thus there is no means to prevent a “funerals are protected” policy from being manipulated and exploited for ingame advantage.

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You were told wrong!

That’s nonsense. Why should someone’s funeral be immune to the very gameplay they enjoyed whilst alive, under some mistaken notion of ‘respect’ ?

In fact, I have attended a cortege where the player’s 3bn Charon was blown up…as a mark of respect

Essentially a Viking type funeral…