CCP should remove incursions from Highsec. The mom has been defeated, there is no reason to have them in Highsec any longer.
Miners can go back to veldspar.
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I agree remove Mom she has been thrown from the train incursion failed.
I donât think you know what a âgankerâ isâŚ
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âeverything I donât like is a gankerâ
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I think they get like 5 million isk.
A comment that could only be made by someone who has never actually ganked.
People say the word ganker so much it lost all meaning lol.
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So true, Anthony.
In âWesternâ popular culture, many terms have suffered the same fate, used pejoratively, and weighted down with implications which they may not originally have borne.
Thus âGankerâ becomes also âGriefer, Bully, Sociopath, Cheatâ, etc. Itâs lazy thinking, lazy writing. In an intelligent person itâs wilful dishonesty, because although any EVE player may be one or more of these things, like any other EVE player, the Ganker may be none of them!
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Should go back to the original incursions that were controlled by a GM and players did all the wacky stuff to close the WHâs like bombing it.
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Yes they can remove it but they have to make a similar PVE conttent that attracted the same amount of players and communities like incursions
Why donât the incursion players kill the mom 1st before Kusion and Hawk get to it , at least they get some isk .
Or as someone else suggested , gank their fleet .
Then you can go back to farming for a bit until Kusion has a new shower idea.
I think this has been covered, Githany, somewhere up above. My take on it is that:
- It would prematurely end their prospect of farming the Incursion.
- It would require them to switch from PvE to PvP (and to be smarter than Kusion/Hawk).
If Iâve misunderstood, Iâm sure someone will correct me; Iâm not an Incursion Runner.
- itâs plain stupid. They donât want the MOM dead because then they canât farm.
- switching from PVE to PVP is also completely stupid. It achieves nothing but waste of time.
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There is no, âEve is a PvP game.â Eve Online is whatever you make it to be.
Which I sought to cover with:
And:
Which I also covered earlier, Stefnia, by implying that if âthousands of playersâ are running Incursions, the only real bar to their defeating Kusion and/or Hawk is skill - since they clearly have the numbers.
Remember, all they have to do is discourage the interlopers, not even necessarily defeat them. But, and I repeat it for emphasis, they wonât attempt any solution which appears to demand their active involvement.
They only have to kill the mom untill Kusion and friends stop showing up then back to farming .
Itâs about controlling a situation and gankers have 100% control right now
Indeed ! But the notion of âwhyâ was not clear. The answer is, that it is stupid : as in, there is no reason to do so.
That is also stupid. More precisely, itâs an argument from ignorance : you donât know, so you pretend that an interpretation that fits your idea is the correct one. Itâs not.
âskillâ is a meaningless term used for the sole reason to insult the disagreeing party. Donât be an asshole, donât use terms like âthey are lacking skillâ - unless you talk about skillpoint of course.
The game is - as often - skewed in the favor of the griefer.
The mechanics donât allow people to take any meaningful action.
If you gank him, so what ? He comes back in new cheap ships with concord on place.
Then the griefer comes back. Back to present state. Thank you for your useless opinion.
So far, Stefnia, you have called me stupid, ignorant, and an aâŚhole.
It doesnât sound like much. Is there more youâre keeping back, out of respect, perhaps?
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No I did not.
I called the argument that they should kill the MOM stupid : there is no reason to do so.
I called an argument based on your lack of knowledge an âargument from ignoranceâ : Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia . Thatâs a definition.
I said that an argument from ignorance is stupid. I explained why : itâs lacking logic.
And I say that you âbe an assholeâ, that is that you show yourself as one, when you insult other people under the pretense of discussion. Thatâs basic education. People make mistakes, just because you made one does not mean your opinion should be discarded, as long as you acknowledge it.
The one that is missing is âyou are toxicâ when you pretend that people are responsible for the bad mechanisms. But that is like âbeing an assholeâ, the difference being that toxic people do that in their own interest while assholes do that as a part of their (lack of) education.
So yes, what makes me keeping back is that I assume you are posting in good faith. 
Maybe Iâm wrong. Maybe you also make up absurd rules in order to justify your abuse of poorly designed mechanisms. I can be wrong too.
Correct me if Iâm wrong (as I have little experience with incursion running), but from the context given in this thread it seems to me that by using PvP against the players who wish to kill this âMOMâ, incursion runners can achieve an extension of the duration of the incursion, is it not?
So aside from the content of PvP, which may or may not be fun depending on your point of view, incursion runners have something to achieve by switching from PvE to PvP, if only temporarily.