Sure, and as said, thats a self-made problem from just focusing on one single activity instead of learning to use various income sources that are all possible with the chars and numbers they have.
The real issue with HS Incursions is the absurd amount of money they pay for nearly no risk involved. And if CCP wants to fix something, they should add more options for PvP interaction to these. Or, better variant, drastically lower the payouts and redesign the HS-variant of the Incursions more towards newer players, limiting the power of ships you can bring into these sites so they can learn the mechanics of larger fleet-content there, but using cheap ships and receiving mediocre payment. After they have learned how to do that, they have all options open to compete for the high-payment LS or NS Incursions or dive deep into WH space to make their âhuge ISKâ.
Yeah, but weve been asking this for years now, and CCP doesnt do anything.
Sure, they nerf Nullsec, increase the requirements to build capitals so you can no longer rorqual an ore field and build 10, etc etc, but when it comes to hisec isk making, theyve done nothing.
And now the entitled incursion runners are crying and whining about how people are using legitimate gameplay to shut down the isk faucet early, and they want to make incursions even more profitable than before. What a monster CCPs created.
Their problem is made by the griefers, not themselves. What youâre doing is victim blaming.
Then you are derailing the topic. In the context, we are talking about griefers abusing mechanisms to prevent HS incursioners from playing, not about running sites .
The problem is NOT that they run the sites : the problem is, that they are griefers, and that they abuse the game mechanisms in a way that effectively removes content from the game.
Your long digressions about WH space, about NS, etc are completely off topic.
So is your opinion of them which is plain insults. Keep your spite to yourself.
There is no âproblemâ and there are no âvictimsâ. There is just a public PvE site that has been farmed by someone else. Can happen anywhere, anytime. Stupid is he who has not cared for an alternative.
Thats not happening at all, neither is anyone abusing anything nor is anyone prevented from playing.
Make me! I am just telling the uncomfortable truth. And the truth must be told to stop others from falling to all those false claims about âabusing mechanicsâ and other nonsense. You donât have to agree, you don?t have to even read it. But you do and you constantly fail to make any valid point, for everyone to see. Just repeating hollow claims wont make them true.
Good post, Syzygium. You will come to see - as I did - that this poster adopts a myopic and somewhat narcissistic stance, which admits of no nuanced or counter argument.
I felt that there was nothing to be gained from engaging with such a writer, so I ceased to do so.
Ganking certainly affects the content of other players, as it should, given the playstyleâs tacit support from the company which designed and implemented the activity.
As usual, the clue is in the thread title. It is a vague and meaningless banner headline, designed - like those of tabloid newspapers - to grab the emotional attention rather than to provide a reasonable introduction to a discussion-worthy topic.
If you canât understand there are, then you have no word in the topic.
All you messages will be off topic.
Thatâs exactly whatâs happening.
You are only insulting.
âthe truthâ is but a stupid justification to your toxic behaviour.
Just because you canât make any valid on-topic point, does not allow you to troll the forum.
If the context is too complex for you to understand, nobody is forcing you to give your opinion, especially when itâs toxic.
Thatâs you, being off topic constantly.
Youâve not made any valid point so far. Youâre in denial of reality.
OP is not complaining about people running sites. Heâs not complaining about WH. Your messages talking about those are completely off topic. Youâve been derailing the thread and using toxicity all along.
Just repeating stupid claims and insults wonât make them become âtruthâ.
It makes you a troll.
Itâs absolutely impossible to be a âvictimâ in a game you have agreed to play and are just beaten by someone who follows all the rules that exist for this game, set by the designer of said game.
There are of course people who feel like a victim all the time, because it is easier to cry than to act, but that doesnât change that facts simpy donât care for feelings. And fact is, those sites are open content, no strings attached. No rule exist that they canât be done as quick as possible, the game designer even implemented explicitly this mechanic that finishing the MOM ends the incursion to enable players to end the incursion quickly. No rule exists, that says you canât try to starve out other players income. No rule exists, that says you canât deny other players specific content if you are strong enough to do so. It is all working as designed, no harassment, no griefing, no bullying, just plain intentended gameplay. Anyone who canât stand this is totally free to look for other games that are more catering and more protecting, nobody is forced to play EVE.
No itâs not. I have explained multiple times why itâs not. You have just claimed that it is and given not a single provable fact that supports that claim.
But it isnât. It is helpful advice, like I always give out to people in trouble. The best way to overcome any problem is to see it as challenge to learn, adapt, grow. The first step is to understand that one isnât a helpless victim that needs help by the Dev-Gods, but can take his fate into the own hands. They have the numbers, they have the resources, what they now need is a good plan, some courage and the will to act.
Thats anything but toxic, thats encouraging. You are the one catering their helplessnes, keeping them small and weak. I invite them to greatness and success. If anyone is hurting them, itâs clearly you.
As far as I see, you can check everything I have said and will find out it is true. While you are just claming things and ignoring all proof that you are clearly wrong. CCP has stated multiple times that EVE is a PvP game at itâs core and that anything goes as long as the rules set by them arenât broken. Now, if you can find any rules that are broken by killing the MOM swifly, please link to an official CCP document where this rule is set. But you probably wonât, because you simply canât.
So according to you nobody is victim of scam in the game ? Or of anything ?
How delusional can you be ? Being a victim does not imply that the act is impossible in any way. Itâs actually the opposite.
It is . You explained nothing at all, but pretend people canât be victims in Eve, which is a complete nonsense.
Thatâs plain BS.
BS ²
BSÂł and strawman. They are helpless, and they are helpless because devs, which are literally gods in the game, made it that way.
BSâ´
âTheyâ does not exist to start with. Pretending that ALL the incursion runners are a uniform group with a single mind is plainly false.
Your argument relies on invalid premises.
Also thatâs plain dishonest because previously âtheyâ referred to people complaining, which you donât know how many they actually are, and therefore you canât claim anything like what you did.
Being true or not is irrelevant when you are off topic.
The sky exists, so you are wrong.
Thatâs plainly false.
Things are changed when the devs deem it necessary. Like bump timer, like AFK decloacking system, like structure cores. Like alpha safety removal. Like safety introduction. Like direct warp to gates.
Yeah all those things that were abused while not being âagainst the rulesâ. Because they were preventing people from playing.
When you talk about ânot being against the rulesâ you are making a strawman.
Abusing legal mechanisms is still abuse, even though legal one. When people are victim of such an abuse, to the point an activity is functionally removed from the game, yes there is a problem.
You claiming there is no problem because they donât complain about sites in WH space is complete off topic and strawman.
And Iâm not even talking about all the exploits that were legal until declared exploits. According to you, nothing should even be an exploit because before itâs declared as one itâs not one !
Thatâs complete stupid circular BS. Get a lesson in logic.
Always the same lame statement implying people are cowards. My main has Titan, Dread, Carrier and super kills and has âgankedâ marauders in WH. I have other PVP/PVE and Indy Characters also and yes GANKERS and I have also been ganked That isnât the point, the point is certain people just want to dictate to others how they have to play the game even though rules were not broken because they want to play on easy mode. This is not WOW in space.
You cannot be a victim. Not when your ship is blown up, not when you are tricked with a contract, not when you are ganked, not when your docking rights are removed to a station where you have assets. All of that are just game moves, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If you play clever, you mostly win and rarely lose. Thats called skill. Better have it. Or invest time and effort to improve it. Or at some point realize you donât have it and are too lazy to improve it, so quit and play another game that is easier, more catering and protecting.
Itâs not! (we can do that forever )
Insult!
Insult!
Insult and a lie! They have the whole huge universe to play, grind money, make themselves goals and achieve whatever they want. Even to fight the âevil griefersâ as you call them. They just donât want to, because they are scared and lazy.
Insult again!
They donât need to be a uniform group. All those who donât complain are not my concern. Those who do shall harden up and make a plan how to deal with the situation. Simple as that.
I am not. And being true is at least better than being completely wrong, like you.
Sure, some systems are implemented imperfectly and need adjustments over time. Incursions arenât such a thing because they work exactly as planned. The option to end it was implemented with intention to allow players to do exactly that: end the incursion quickly. There also isnât any âpreventing from playingâ, unlike a permabumped ship that simply couldnât get away ever. The Incursionrunners have still full control of their assets, their location, their ability to play the game, the whole universe is waiting.
So finishing the MOM site quickly - as it is designed - is now an âexploitâ or what do you want to say? Go report it and wait for a response.
Insult again! And btw, that was your own logic, I didnât ever talk about exploits.
Be careful, insulting other posters that frequently might get you flagged! Itâs quite obvious who is the toxic guy here.
lol, Pixels canât be hurt, damaged, killed or suffer. Itâs just a game. Like you lose pawns in a chess game, like getting sniped in a shooter, suffocating in the deathzone of a BattleRoyal, losing a Base in StarCraft. Nothing of it is real. Get over your crazy snowflake feelings.
nobody is hurt nobody is damaged nobody is killed nobody suffers
Itâs just a pixel spaceship game, designed to blow up pixel spaceships by whatever means you can imagine. Get over it.
Because the full term, correctly applied, is âsuicide-gankingâ - which is only possible in Highsec, where the activity is punished by CONCORD.
CONCORD does not exist outside Highsec, therefore suicide-gankers do not exist outside Highsec.
Aiko and other fans of the playstyle do indeed operate in other areas of the game, but their activities are not there termed âgankingâ - and they do not offer the particular challenges and rewards present in Highsec.
But you know all this, Dryson. Are you being mischievous?
And players or their avatar are not pixels.
They can be hurt, killed etc. The proof is that there is âkillmailâ, and that people complain.
The simple fact that this thread exists implies that your interpretation is wrong.
Players are part of the game.
And where exactly in the definition of âvictimâ does it requires the act to not take place in a virtual world ?
Because otherwise, you are just full of â â â â : you are changing the definition to make it not apply where it actually does. Which is hypocritical.
So yes the definition of âvictimâ can be applied to video game events.
Your sole argument against it is that you donât understand what âvictimâ means and hypocritically pretends players are only pixels.
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