You don’t understand what I’m saying. Yes we need certain nutrients. Vitamins are called vitamins because we need an external food source, because our body can’t produce it.
But you seem to have the idea that we need certain specific foods, which is complete ■■■■■■■■. There is a huge variety of ways to get this nutrients.
A really nice tool to get some insights for that is https://cronometer.com , where you can plug in basically any food and what you eat over the day an it will show you a break down of the nutrients. This is good to get some feeling of what to eat to get a somewhat balanced diet.
You don’t need fish, you don’t need onions or garlic, and you certainly don’t need clove. All the nutrients they have can also be eaten from a variety of other foods.
I never said you needed fish, I said that fishing villages suffer significantly less mental illness or none. I also said there is a reason for this and I suggested more understand needs to be obtained.
Not eating onions? good luck with that.
Everyone uses Eugenol at the dentist, and it’s extracted from clove. but of course you don’t want to look into it’s benefits and understand why I think it should be part of a normal diet, it is a unique food. Tell me then what other foods give you what cloves give you?
You dont want to understand that it is one of the most potent natural antibacterial agents in the world. You should investigate carefully before comitting to an opinion or belief,
How will you keep your colon healthy without the use of cloves then? can you even answer this question? If you can’t off the top of your head then I think there might be a few things you don’t know which you should investigate before talking like you know it all.
Of course it’s ok. But in order to have value an exchange of ideas must truly be an exchange and not simply a succession of immutable assertions.
All I have said is that your suggestions are not the only solutions to the dilemmas faced by some people.
Thanks for the list of plant-based remedies. You may be particularly susceptible to their effects, I may not.
In 2007, I was in hospital following surgery. I had moderately severe pain and was prescribed Oramorph (liquid morphine). At the initial dosage, the drug had no effect on me at all. Despite careful increases in dosage, my pain never responded quite as expected and further treatment was discontinued.
However, when they gave me Codeine (another opiate), the pain melted away within 20 minutes. The body is not a machine, I guess.
You arrive at that conclusion quickly, surely you couldn’t have investigated them that quickly? Stop pre judging, keep an open mind and simply have the goal of learning and understanding, and comparing. i’ll pop back later.
You definitely don’t think when you post, Aaron. It seems to be knee-jerk stuff, in the main.
I wrote
…which clearly sets out the case that I haven’t yet investigated the list. You can see this by my use of the conditional word ‘may’ in ‘I may not’ (be susceptible to their effects). I therefore quickly came to the conclusion not that they didn’t work, but that I had not evaluated them. A reasonable position, I think.
Keeping an open mind means I accept that these remedies work for you and that they might also work for me. Arguing for the sake of arguing was what 2 of my children used to do aged about 14-16. I don’t expect it from someone in such obvious command of the nutritional aspects of human health as yourself.
Also, I have stopped eating onions (flatulence) and fresh garlic (breath). I’ve not noticed any new deficiency in my health - only some social easing…
Ok. I said (or certainly implied) that I don’t know. They might work for me, they might not.
I respect the amount of study and research you say you’ve put into finding out about the properties and uses of these plants, and the trials you’ve no doubt conducted in your own behalf - you certainly know more than I do; but using them is still a personal choice, isn’t it? I choose to follow a less narrow regime, that’s all.
You’re a very dramatic communicator. I’m quite boring, really. Perhaps that’s the rub. Your passion versus my cynicism. I’m sure you won’t let me dampen your enthusiasm - neither should you!
Hmm, I wouldn’t say dramatic. I’d say more surprised. I informed a guy here of a fact that the UK health service spends £6.5 billion per year on treating sugar related illnesses (more than whats spent on alcohol and drugs illnesses combined) and am surprised that he talks like changes are not needed and there is no problem and we don’t need specific things in our diet.
The fact that so much is spent by the UK to combat this is an extremely clear sign that more understanding needs to be gained before we start saying what we don’t need.
I for one am certainly not going to think the current state of health matters is normal, It needs radical change and strict laws.
I wouldn’t say I’m dramatic, I’m just shocked that there is a massive and deadly sugar problem in the world which is very clear to see but folks are so quick to shoot down suggestions without investigation and understanding first. If you want to call me dramatic then I would disagree, In fact I would call many of you here dramatic for immediately disagreing with something you don’t understand.
Be honest? this is the first time youre hearing about cloves having a positive effect on diabetes isn’t it? I buy my jar of cloves for £1.10 at my local supermarket and would expect to see a similar price in most other countries in the world. This isn’t one of those products you speak of, it is a very much unknown plant where health services use it extensively in dental care.
When ever any of you have certain dental treatments, all of you will say “yes the Eugenol in cloves used by dentist did numb the pain” Don’t be so quick to shoot down something you already use successfuly in one part of your life, it is actually very useful to other parts of your body not just your gums and teeth.
Enjoy looking into this, I did.
And before you try to disagree/debate with me on this, please just look into it first and get back to me next week or something, Go ahead and buy a jar even, take a pinch of it with honey in hot water and drink, tell me how you feel. You’re most likely going to consume some when you next go to the dentist anyway lol.
I have a working immune system that targets bacteria that are not native to my body. Why should I have to eat a “natural” antibiotic to kill off all bacteria?
That doesn’t sound like a good idea at all.
Keeping an open mind means questing you own beliefs. I’m always questioning my own believes, in fact they are all quite loosely held and I’m quite willing to change them, IF there is a good reason to do so.
This is what it means to be open mindet. It doesn’t mean you just accept every assertion someone else makes on an internet forum or have the duty to investigate their claims. If you want to change our mind with your idea about this unique irreplacable food, then it is YOUR responsibility to provide convincing evidence for that claim.
For example, you say onions and garlic are essential and apparently think they have no replacement. But you did not even give a reason why that would be the case. So why should anyone take that serious?
It’s not the first time I have such a discussion.
How do you think humans survived when they where not farmers but hunters and didn’t have the variety of foods? You completely underestimate the adaptability of humans. We are not constantly on the brink of faling appart unless we finetune our diet with specific food.
If you eat whatever mix of vegetables and some small amount of animal products, as long as it is whole foods, you are probably healthier than the majority of people.
Cloves have about 12 different uses, it’s antibacterial propoerties are only one of the benefits. You must have not read me earlier when I said I cured my own Gum Disease, I’ll type it again so it’s clear…I cured my own Gum Disease. please feel free to explain to me how my specific use of cloves was a bad idea, also, and aren’t you surprised that a guy on a forum is claiming he cured his own gum disease?
I can’t give you any proof of this, but my claim is a genuine one. I’m baffled as to why you think drinking it in a tea is a bad idea can you not see that cloves seem to have a seemingly mystical ability to target stubborn and annoying bacteria?
Can you not see that there are more things hidden than just what they are doing with money and finance? The rabbit hole goes much deeper than you think my friend.
Well there is no real need to question your beliefs, I think it’s just a question of looking at and understanding what’s apparent. the sugar problem is massive, one should already have this belief because the amount of money spent on treating the illnesses arising from it is public knowledge. I’m just trying to keep the convo focused where we accept all facts and truths which are apparent or easy to determine.
This is what is called anecdotal evidence. Sure I believe you that you cured your gum disease. But that doesn’t mean using self medication with herbal remedies is something everyone should do now.
You are one guy, you are not a statistic that tests this remedy on a variety of people with a controll group to check if it actually does something.
It also completely makes no sense why you would continue to eat that after it healed your gum disease. Does it come back if you stop? Then it’s probably not healt and you should talk to a doctor.
I had an infection on my knee once. It looked like melon. I got antibiotics and it got better. Do you think it is a good idea to continue to take those antibiotics, even though my knee is healed. It improved my health after all. So why not? Because it is not “natural” and cloves are?
Sorry if calling you ‘dramatic’ unnerved you. You do appear to me to be dramatic when I compare you with, for example, myself.
Objectively speaking, I’m sure you’re just passionate.
I’m being honest, Aaron. I haven’t heard of the positive effects of cloves upon diabetes. But, neither am I interested in such things. I have had beneficial experiences associated with the consumption of Karela (bitter gourd), Black Mustard Seeds and Lime Pickle, though.
Indeed, in one youthful escapade it was Lime Pickle from my local Indian (actually, Pakistani) restaurant that brought me from alcohol-induced violent vomiting to total sobriety in about 8 minutes. It may not work for everyone.
I’m not now debating with you (it’s pointless, a waste of our time), but chatting, you know, in a relaxed way. Of course, like you, I’ll only spend time on things I think are important - and I have enough of those to be going on with!
Quick respone, don’t mistake passion for the subject matter as drama, all I’ve really said is more info needs to be gathered and cloves should be looked into as there is a growing community who use it to help their diabeties.
And you arrive at this conclusion without investigation, so yes of course it would make no sense to you.
I did, I checked with my dentist and he confirmed the bacteria was gone, he was also skeptical of how I had achieved it and was frantically blowing ice cold air onto the area to see if I would flinch, I did not, A month earlier on the same area in my mouth the cold air he blew on my tooth was painful.
The reason I drink cloves in a tea is because it can also prevent/kill dangerous bacteria in my stomach, I’m trying to point out it’s versitility, yes I used it to eradicate gum disease. AND SINCE CLOVES ARE A SPICE COMMONLY FOUND IN INDIAN FOOD I thought it might be a good idea to make a tea out of it.
I guess If I stop using it to brush my teeth then it’s specific property that kills stubborn bacteria will no longer be present in my mouth and therefore the gum disease may return. This seems quite normal to me as both of us should know that the bacteria responsible for gum disease is very strong since dentists say gums will never grow back.
I’m fine with using a toothpaste based on cloves for the rest of my life. If you look on the market there are a good few toothpastes containing cloves, some of them top sellers even.
No I would suggest you drink cerasie tea bitter melon plant so the next time you get an infection it might not be so severe. There are plenty of foods like honey which have antibiotic properties, they are just not as potent as the manufactured processed kind and are used more as a preventative.
Ok, I looked into mustard seed briefly, I’m actually shocked how similar it looks to cloves from a nutritional value perspective. I’ll look into that a bit further and may possibly buy some.
Maybe you do know something, why din’t you put this forward earlier? @Sasha_Nemtsov
Karela is also similar to clove in it’s properties.
Left untreated, any psychotic illness is likely to be disruptive. Are you saying that glucose-induced psychosis is special in some way?
No, Dchill, I do not. I may have an inclination to do so, but I cannot be expected to act in the manner you describe simply because you find it morally compelling.
I know the Forum is a kind of soap-box opportunity, but really…
Hm. The thread was (or appeared to be) about psychosis induced by glucose, and not Physical ailments per se. But I went with the flow.
Of course, I wouldn’t join any thread just to say I wasn’t interested in the subject matter. I think you’ve read at least some of my comments, so that should be clear. I hope.
I think what you are calling ‘Bitter Melon’ is also called ‘Karela’ and ‘Bitter Gourd’. So I’m aware of its general use. I’ve even eaten it - though reluctantly (it is very bitter, however lovingly prepared). But my knowledge is scanty, and I’ve no capacity for increasing it right now.
