I apologize for barging in like this, but I couldn’t help notice the reply amounts and frequency.
Facts? There is not one link that cites from a medical journal in here.
This thread is just a coffee house banter. What facts?
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If you look up info about fishing villages you will find it is a fact none of them ever suffer mental illness.
So, we need to gain an understanding of what they are doing keep themselves so mentally well. You don’t always need a medical journal, sometimes info is present if you know how to look into it.
I think this is our problem, we wait for facts to appear in medical journals before we investigate or try to understand it. Why can’t we investigate matters we see with our own eyes?
Part of the issue is the medical world is filled with people looking to make lots of money, so I’m afraid there is some info such as PREVENTATIVE herbal remedies that you will never ever see in a medical journal.
I don’t need you to tell me that, Aaron. More condescension, this time with just a twist of passive-aggressive sugar-free flavouring…
Yes, I’m free to leave, but I am also free to post comments in the thread, and if what I say discomforts you, then know that doing so is not my intention.
I could not find online any support for your view that mental illness ‘never’ occurs in such populations; only that it is ‘significantly less’ - which sounds reasonable to me.
Excellent! And naturally, you want to pass on the good news. Don’t, however, be surprised if you encounter challenges from other commentators. That’s how discussions and debates work.
Physical and mental illnesses are certainly facts - but you will find within the discussions between their respective practitioners a great deal of debate about aetiology. Scientists and Doctors do sometimes disagree, don’t they?
Saying that something is a fact does not make it so; neither does/should it prevent further discussion or challenge. That’s how some types of progress actually happen, Aaron.
I’m surprised that someone as widely read as yourself cannot see this. Unless of course your reading/viewing has been confined to those sources which tend to support the position you already hold.
Be well!
I didn’t say anything was a fact, the facts are simply apparrent regarding the fishing villages that they suffer significantly less mental illness. I’m just the one passing on the existence of this fact. Is there something we could learn from these folks? or shall we just ignore them?
I’m unsure what is you are challenging, some facts can actually speak for themselves or are apparent.
Nothing surprises me these days, I get that there are other opinons, but if info is only viewed strictly from 1 perspective then one may run into problems.
I think there is much we can learn, both from the fish-eaters and from others whose dietary habits may hold significant benefits. I also believe that moderation in everything is key.
The Institute of Forensic Medicine, in Moscow, is a very busy place. Many of the subjects admitted there show stark evidence of long-term neglect, abuse, poor diet and - above all - poverty.
Fresh fish, vegetables (not potatoes), fruit, and dietary supplements are fearfully expensive there (they were so even before the sanctions). They are not cheap in the UK, either. It’s difficult to live a healthy lifestyle on thin-air, and of course there are those who simply don’t care.
You added to your post:
Initially, I was challenging your assertion as fact that fish-eating villagers anywhere in the world ‘never’ suffer mental illness (my paraphrase). You did adjust your statement to include the words ‘significantly less’, which is fine.
More broadly, I understand your wish to evangelise about the benefits you believe you have derived from the consumption of various products; but I also wished to inject the view that it is perfectly possible to lead a normal life without such additions.
As to facts; some are indisputable, I agree. Others, tho, are capable of being challenged.
Glucose Psychosis:
Because many people have issues they regard as more pressing with which to concern themselves.
Or, perhaps, ‘nobody cares’.
Oops…
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I love sugar 🩷
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Mr Kipling’s Cherry Bakewells.
But then I’m a psychotic ganker, so their consumption could be regarded as complementary.
I think I’ll leave it there. Unless I’ve misread your comments, that is.
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Holy ■■■■, you two clearly have no idea what you are talking about…
Glucose can be directly absorbed, it doesn’t even have to be digested. Why do you think a sugar rush is a thing? Because it goes basically directly to the blood and is immediately available as energy to the body. Glucose is pure energy for our body and our cells all run on sugar.
Diabetes on the other hand has to do with the impairment of the pancreas, which produces insulin in response to excess glucose in the blood. Insulin then causes the fat cells to store the excess glucose as fat for later use. If you have diabetes your body can’t regulate the blood sugar anymore.
Are you seriously suggesting that ALL forms of mental illness are the cause of a bad diet? WTF.
Please stop, this is actually crazy
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I don’t agree, the reason being is that I speak of basic nutrition we all need. So I’m not sure how it is that you percieve normal nutrition as an addition.
I mentioned cloves earlier which is what I think you are referring to. you do realise cloves are very much packed with vitamins and minerals right? In my opinion it is wrong to class cloves as an “addition” since it contains natural elements that nourish and help towards keeping us healthy.
No, I’m suggesting that nutrient found in fish seems to make us LESS LIKELY to suffer mental illness, If you look on any health food website in your country you will see there are plenty of suppliments based on fish oils. There is a reason for this if you care to investigate, if not no worries at all.
One has to create extra enzymes to digest sugar, the reason I say it’s hard is because of this. People have problems where they are unable to create these extra enzymes or there is too much sugar to digest and their body overworks trying to create the additional enzymes.
…and which can be found in a normal, suitably varied diet. No cloves needed.
Full disclosure: I dislike the flavour of cloves and have only ever used them for their pain killing property, when nothing else was to hand. They were mildly effective.
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Ah, so you have access to 100% perfect food, which is grown perfectly and has optimal nutrient and never spoils. Please give me the details for the food retailer where this perfect food exists and i will go get some.
Cloves are part of a normal and varied diet, we are just not really told that. if you review the nutritional content of cloves you will see it has exactly the same things as a normal diet.
Before you make such a statement don’t you think you should study the subject matter further first?
I also google this;
Cloves are full of antioxidants, including eugenol. Antioxidants help your body fight free radicals, which damage your cells. By removing free radicals from your system, the antioxidants found in cloves can help lower your risk of developing heart disease, diabetes, and certain cancers. Reduced ulcers .
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Antioxidants should be part of a normal diet, for without them we suffer inflammation and infection, honestly I don’t understand you…Why do you think we can get rid of free radicals in our bodies without the use of an occasional clove tea? I don’t think you want to see the other side of the coin where there are a whole host of other nutrients which must be part of a normal diet.
Feel free to tell me what part of the normal diet you speak of helps to get rid of free radicals? I think we have a completely different idea of what normal is.
I try to eat a raw diet as much as possible, so normal to me is my body receiving every natural nutrient it needs with absolute minimal processing. I eat nutrients to keep my serotonin balanced, I also eat nutrients to keep my cortisol balanced.
I have a feeling that if I followed your diet I simply wouldnt have the nutrient to balance my serotonin which would result in poor concentration, irritability, tiredness, stress, which could all lead to mental illness.
You won’t believe me, but I cured my Gum disease using cloves and hemp toothpaste, I use a pinch with my hemp toothpaste, swelling and inflammation gone, pain gone, gums are actually growning back slowly, the dentist told me they would not grow back.
Generally I found a method to completely erradicate the bacteria responible for gum disease, and this is just through reading and trying a few things with herbs that grow from the ground.
I know that fish is healthy, it is a good source of omaga3 fat, which is essential. But you can get that from plants as well. For example hemp seeds or Canola oil contain a lot of it as well.
It may be true that malnourishment causes mental health issues, but it is completely insane to suggest that this is anywhere near the main cause.
You just googled that and wrote that here without actually understanding the context of any of that right? Do you know how much enzymes are needed to digest proteins and fat from meat? How much compared to glucose (which I doubt needs any because the body doesn’t has to break it down further)
How weak is your metabolism that you even need that? The human body is extremely adaptable to all sorts of food sources and can handle imbalances of vitamins and minerals over a long period of time by building depots.
You don’t have to eat perfectly, you just have to make sure you have some variety and you eat mainly whole foods, as the processed food lacks a lot of nutrients. You are seriously overthinking this.
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Wrong, I have an understanding of what’s going. I only googled it for your benefit so you will see that it is common knowledge.
And No, I am not suggesting malnourishment is the only cause, but it is a major cause. We will all have to accept if we don’t eat the right nutrient that our body uses to create Serotonin (Serotonin is a neurotransmitter) for example, then we are more likely to suffer mental illness.
Right, so I’m able to drive a car without petrol?
Ultimately there are lots of processes within our bodies which require us to consume nutrient in order to maintain it. For example if one doesnt have onion and garlic regular they will lack the nutrients needed to create antibacterial functions within their body. We need a nutrient source for vitamin c for example, without that source we simply can’t create whats needed to renew our cells.
If I studied as much as you appear to do and still managed to come up with what is essentially…bollocks, I would feel that I had somewhat wasted my time.
I would hazard a guess that I am at the opposite end of Life’s trajectory to the one which you presently occupy. I have worked hard and, in the early days, played hard. I’ve eaten what I wished or could afford to eat - or what was offered - and avoided drugs and alcohol. I never take ‘exercise’ but I do enjoy a reasonable walk and, oddly enough, sitting on a park bench, perfectly poised for reflection.
Very few people reach their 6th decade with no medical issues, and I have my fair share. No problem. I don’t expect to live forever!
That’s fine, Aaron. I didn’t say you had to slavishly copy a regime to which you object. Please allow me the same freedom.
If only there were a plant which - instead of ingredients also available elsewhere - conferred upon the consumer qualities like modesty, reflection, tolerance…
@Karak_Terrel has responded to you; I hope you now have sufficient information to realise that there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
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There are, you just don’t want to read about them, if you are bothered off the top of my head they include;
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Moringa
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Valerian root - Achieved the best REM sleep of my entire life
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Rhodiola
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Lemon Balm
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Passion Flower - Achieved the best REM sleep of my entire life and I am still shocked at how well it worked, nutrients which help balance our brain chemicals are amazing and gentle,
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Chamomile
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Dandelion
I’m probably going to end the convo there if that’s okay, this seems more like a contest of who knows more than people willing to talk and exchange ideas.
And it seems you don’t really study much, the result of that is simply not knowing. Good luck with that way of doing things, sincerly.