It’s quicker than scouting in a pod.
No testing is necessary at all to show that the 100% success is not correct.
Yes, testing is always good for other things, but it isn’t needed to show that 100% success is not correct. Real data from in game is actually available and more valuable than any testing.
What? So showing from real situations that not all ganks are successful is not relevant to a claim that success is 100% death for targets?
That makes no sense and right at this point, I can’t vote for you. If you dismiss data because it doesn’t suit your story, then you can’t represent the player base in any sensible way to CCP, nor provide them with sensible feedback in situations where they present you with data.
I’ll bow out of this thread now as that has finalised my decision here.
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It’s also quicker than scouting with a freighter but I also don’t support that either…
ok you linked a post from 2013. The game has changed a lot since then.
You have also only lost a venture once in low sec. And never ganked anything.
I don’t think you really know enough to claim what is the CODE. SOP.
EDIT: 0 ships destroyed, 2 ships lost.
A director in your favorite ganking alliance was famous for using that method. (the pod thing).
He stopped playing.
I expect it might have been because ganking got too easy…
.The site is constantly updated when needed but not a single thing has changed since 2013 to warrant changing the SOP.
This is not my main, any of my other fleet characters, my market characters or, of course, my ganking accounts. If you want to see my ganking creds and thereby doxing them, that will cost you. I have nothing to prove to you especially as EVERYTHING I’m talking about is online and has been online for YEARS!
It is odd that it’s at this point in our conversation that you are saying this to try to weaken my points.
And you appear to not know a thing about the game and alts…if you wanted to look stupid, well done.
No, you are guessing to bolster your position. You don’t have a clue to the reasoning but you just see an opportunity to fling mud.
From the game or from a third party website?
Yes, that is true.
The main thing is that you vote for someone.
That is actually the main thing of my CSM campaign. That people vote for someone.
I don’t need your vote.
I do not dismiss data that does not suit my story.
I do not dismiss data at all.
I call the reliability of third party sites into question sometimes.
I also do not think that a failed gank means that it was a reasonable gank.
I am actually also kind of fed up saying this after many years of saying this.
Of course I can provide sensible feedback for CCP data… because I am sure that the data that CCP provides will be sensible. I am not sure about third party sources and wikis.
I’ve heard that before. I think you even said that before.
Vote for someone.
I would just also wish for you to have the chance to actively vote for noone…
Why do you think he quit?
I have no clue and guessing is a fools errand. It’s also incredibly intellectually-dishonest to do this in a debate.
Why is are you running for CSM when you don’t even know what an alt is? Do you even play Eve?
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Yeah, well, OK, not saying this isn’t the case, but rather that you haven’t been consistent about it at all. Some of the claims you made only make sense if you consider the gank starts when the gankers land and start shooting…
No, but they don’t have to be… Now this is irrelevant… Do you understand what the word chance means when you use it here?
You don’t need a ganker to be active at every gate 24/7 to estimate the chance of a hauler to survive a gank. You just need one to be active at the gate you’re watching during the time you’re watching it, and then see how many haulers get through unscathed.
Look, let’s forget for clarity the criminal timer I mentioned in my previous post and just take into consideration the time during which the ganker could gank if he wanted to. Then count the haulers that get through unscathed until the ganker picks one of them. Would you agree that the others “survived” the gank at some point before the shooting starts or not?
Still cannot see how when you move the point at which the gank starts away from the actual shooting the chance of survival becomes WAY higher than 50% already?
You’re not trying to make us believe that if the target had been a Procurer you’d have gone for it too, are you? Or that the results would have been the same if you had?
Pardon? Can you please show one thing I said, just one, where it would matter whether I have ganked or tried to gank anything or not?
Did I? Can you show where have I talked about any numbers in this regard other than the ones you were talking about?
Really? By saying the chance to survive a gank is WAY higher than 50% already (according to where you consider the gank starts), I validate any of your claims about what the current chance of survival is or should be? And the reason I’m validating your claims that way is that I’m vague and not giving the exact figure of what the chance to survive is? You sure of that?
ROFLMAO.
The killmail server is a CCP server. It generates a killmail for every player ship that dies and the killmail goes to the player that lost their ship, and if there was a player on the attackers list, then to the player with the final blow (or highest damage if the final blow was an NPC).
Players then give some sites, like zkillboard, access to the feeds through the API.
All killmails are generated by CCP from in game.
Do you really not understand that?
Not to my recollection. In threads where I say it, I try to hold to it.
Here I just can’t believe what I read, so just posting to clarify how killmails are generated, but on the other aspects, there’s no need for me to take part any longer.
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Erm nope.
Have you checked out the changes in their ship replacement program, prices and what ships are available?
This post is still up on the blog:
And I quote: Mining in highsec is the only situation in which being AFK is problematic.
I am fairly sure that later blog posts say something different, but that post from 2012 is quite explicit. So linking something from 2013… well that was 6 years ago.
Yes I know what an alt is. But a forum alt for someone that might or might not have ganked something somewhen? I would say post on your main or get out.
Deal with it.
Of course, we all believe you when you say you gank… especially because you scout your target out to warp to at 0, and you seem to know so much about gank fleets.
Compared to how you were earlier in this thread?
Posting on, and hiding behind a forum alt?
Dishonest much?
Erm.
In the past it has also been possible to upload kills to zkill, which were naturally not API verified… but some gankers would also do it.
Now that API no longer exists in that form… I am not sure what ZKILL has done about this.
But in the past it has totally been possible to send killmails to zkillboard, without having lossmails there.
Do you really not understand that?
Here I just can’t believe what I read, so just posting to clarify how zkillboard has worked.
Well think about bumping my thread. We can’t always rely on the others. Anyway I have still a little under 50 posts until I get to 500… and it would be sad if they all came from me.
Edit: Well I could take a leaf out of @Runa_Yamaguchi’s book… and make forum alts to post for me!
Sigh…we are talking about using scouts to act as warp in points for the gank-fleet and CODE’s SOP on t his matter and now you are talking about " ship replacement program"…what are you doing? Can you not just say “ok” or are you really going to try and worm your way out of this.
I didn’t say the site never changes, I said “to warrant changing the SOP” in regards to what we are talking about…
err…what? Go to bed as you clearly need to rest.
And you are looking dumb, again. If I posted on my main, that would also not show ganks as my main is not my ganker. You really don’t play Eve do you…
You’re point is noted and laughed at…
Even if I never ganked, you are still 100% wrong about CODE’s SOP and now trying to slime your way out of this by now attacking me directly…
I’m really glad this thread will be up for all to see as I can now use it to show what disingenuous person you really are.
Oh you mean for which I publicly apologizes for? LOL…
I already said that if you want to dox my ganker lats then it will cost you. That number is 5B ISK as I wont be able to use them after so I’d like to be compensated…
Keep attacking me though instead of the topic as I REALLY want everyone to see your true nature. These posts are really easy to link to 
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From 2014:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1xm8q2/psa_zkillboard_no_longer_accepts_manual_mail/
Squizz hasn’t accepted manual mails for 5 years already.
There is not even an endpoint you can reach on zkillboard to post a manual killmail anymore and there hasn’t been for years. This is basic stuff that you can check.
Then post on your ganker.
I am not wrong.
But…
You linked a really old post.
That you claim is still relevant.
I linked a really old post. Is it still relevant?
If you deserve it, I will apologise.
But… you look… at the moment… like a forum alt just trolling my thread. Not that I am complaining about the bumps… every post is one closer to 500 (I’m embarrassed to think I was hoping for 400).
There is not topic.
I cannot debate ganking mechanics with someone that has never ganked, not even once.
Has it really been that long?
Makes me feel old.
Of course, we could also rely on zkill’s FAQ:
"zKillboard does not get all killmails automatically. CCP does not make killmails public. They must be provided by various means.
In short there are many sources for a killmail:
- Someone manually posts the killmail.
- A character has authorized zKillboard to retrieve their killmails.
- A corporation director or CEO has authorized zKillboard to retrieve their corporation’s killmails.
- War killmail (victim and final blow have a Concord sanctioned war with each other)"
All of which could mean that the "KILL"mails can be posted without showing "LOSS"mails… including those to NPCs like CONCORD…
Yes, if you don’t authorize zkill to get them from CCP directly, you can manually post the external killmail link. That is not the same as a manual killmail.
A manuel killmail (eg. like we could post to Battleclinic back in the day) could be totally fictitious. It could be made up, using the same format as a killmail and then the killmail itself posted to the killboard.
zkillboard had that ability prior to CREST also.
However no one can post a manual killmail to zkillboard and we haven’t been able to for the past 5 years. We can manually post a link to the CCP killmail server killmail record and then zkill fetches it from CCP.
I think “Doxxing” has something to do with real life.
You are not your ganking “lats”.