Then I used the wrong word.
I meant it is totally possible for gankers to post “Kills” to zkill without showing their CONCORD losses.
As such referring there for statistics is suspect.
5B ISK.
Ok…so you asked me to link to their SOP and I did. If you are “not wrong” as you claim. please link back-up your claims.
If nothing has changed to warrant a change in the SOP then why would they change the webpage? When asked what has changed in the last 6 years you rambled on about ship replacement program in a desperate attempt to move the goalposts.
CODE is very open and honest about their methods as James WANTS miners to learn how to protect themselves. He gives them them the answers and miners just need to educate themselves and act accordingly. You really should be thanking CODE for all the good work and help they do for HS.
I don’t want an apology and there is no need for one…
I have, at length, described the ganking process and then furthers talked about the scout’s roll. I’ve calmed down and tried to be levelheaded and helpful so somebody that wont even support in the election. You on the other hand are changing topics, moving goalposts, questioning credentials and now questioning the validity of a web page without stating why it’s wrong but only that it’s old…of and now I’m a troll…
Really? Is this the level of a CSM member these days?
Still waiting for that 5B…you want proof then that is your price. Still waiting.
Yes, that’s what I did in the 2 days I ganked back in 2017. It doesn’t show my failures (of which there were several):
However, that doesn’t stop anyone from seeing what was being discussed before about not needing to test, because there is real data available to validate your view against (or in this case, to validate that your view is not correct).
Correct but if you dox an alt then that means something else are you are referring to a game character. Just like if you kill my toon you are actually not killing me but rather the noun you are referring to…the toon, or alt as I did.
Does that help you?
No need to wait.
I believed you at the beginning when you claimed knowledge of ganking.
I now believe I was wrong.
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If there is no real data already available… one would need to get real data.
In order to get real data… one must test.
How else would one get real data? One could ask CCP… but that would probably be too much work for them that they should rather spend on other things.
You know when you have been trolled when the troll likes your post.
The killmails generated in game are better than any testing. They are the real results of in game activity. They are far more valuable than any testing and there is about 18K killmails per day.
So you say.
Yes.
That is a lot of high sec ganking.
Now I understand why gates are blocked and lagged with CONCORD.
WTF? Seriously?
Are you just trolling in your own thread now?
Generally, you’ve been good to engage with throughout this thread (a bit evasive at times, but generally reasonably logical), but that is just not understandable as a serious comment.
There was that time we were talking about my experiences in hauling… I think you said back then that you had the information you needed…
No I am not trolling my own thread.
I assumed you were trolling.
Firstly because you said a while ago that you were quitting me… but keep on posting anyways.
Secondly because you are trying to present third party web sites as equivalent to the total data that would be theoretically available…
Thirdly because you are still talking about this.
Fourthly because you threaten to quit the thread before I get to 500 posts… that would be a lonely few days… c’mon man…
Edit: why are you actually still here?
Sigh…why are you like this? You know you are running for CSM and everyone can read this right?
I ‘liked’ your post because it the first sign of honestly in a while…was I wrong?
This is my fifth year running.
There have been some victories and some defeats.
no
I should go and lie down.
Wow! Amazing how this has derailed from what @Scipio_Artelius Scipio was trying to make you understand.
You may see ganks on zKill without the corresponding loss to CONCORD, yes. What you’ll never see there is a loss to CONCORD without the corresponding kill if the gank was successful.
So the fact that you may manually post (links to) killmails on zKill (not the killmails themselves), makes no difference to the fact that you may use zKill to see when a suicide gank failed. Actually, what it means is that there will be many cases of failed ganks that you won’t see on zKill even though they do happen all the time.
But, hey, I could be making up this stuff and talking out of my arse here, as I always do. How on earth would I know any of this if I’ve never ganked myself? 
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No, that isn’t what I have said at any point.
What I said, and it is perfectly reasonable and true, is that there is real data from in game available, through zkillboard, that allows you to validate whether your opinion is correct or not.
If you spent some time actually analysing the data, you will see that where you said earlier than no one is proposing testing to show you are wrong, isn’t even needed. The real data shows that your view is not correct.
You can validate it all yourself. You don’t need us to. All the data you need to show that your view needs refining, is available to you.
To what extent it needs refining isn’t so clear only from killmails, but just so you can see that your view is incorrect, real game data is available and far more valuable than testing.
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True.
But, for example, with theoretically 18 thousand kill mails per day (as has previously been suggested) one failed gank would be a blip worth about 0%. There are also enough gankers that do not let the kills or losses onto zkill (because they might warn targets).
You tell me?
Who?.
The real data is biased.
The real data shows that my view is not correct… that personal experience shows that ganking is 100% successful???
I think that the available real data demonstrates perfectly that “in my experience ganking is 100% successful” (to paraphrase because I cannot be bothered to go and fish out the exact quote).
I also do not think that this discussion is important enough to warrant so many posts. But only 19 to go for 500… so carry on!
Troll
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