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I guess the princess is in another fortizar. 
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High skill point players are not progressing out of highsec
Actually quite an interesting topic, certainly peaked my interest anyway.
As an almost 10 year old HS player with 255mil skill points who also knows lots of other HS players with lots and lots of skill points I think you are absolutely correct.
If it helps answer the question, I’m still in HS as I have yet to see anything appealing about any other areas of space. Funny yes, entertaining yes but a desire to be involved, not remotely.
LS is just boring ship death, WH’s/Poch more boring ship death, Null is totally boring ship death en mass. I certainly don’t consider leaving HS as progression, more like regression. It all just looks insular and provincial. Gangs of players with armies of alts Vs other gangs with armies of alts is pretty unappealing to me as a goal.
I would disagree with that, I see it as content accessible for new players sure, but not solely for new players at all. The sleeper caches are just one example of HS content that will kill a newbro with one failed hack. In space content in all areas of EVE is open content. I totally agree it makes it hard for new players to compete for HS sites but is that a bad thing? For those not looking to be pushed by CCP or other players into the more dangerous space they just wont go but any new players enticed by that more reward will soon see there is more isk outside HS and might make that choice to try it.
Pre CSM time is always interesting to see the candidates that want CCP to force HS players out of HS or make us stop playing the game, hopefully we will see some entertaining ones this year.
Imho, Nothing CCP does will make a dedicated HS players move out of HS, I wouldn’t run sites outside HS if the reward for a data hack was 10 billion isk and I would still run L4 mission in HS if the reward was 10 isk including the bonus and I know I’m not alone but I’m open to suggestions and I bet CCP would love to know what might make players like myself try some outside HS content because “go and join this gang and shoot that gang” or “go open this box that has more isk while someone shoots you” isn’t working and isn’t going to work.
Another option is simply that perhaps they are happy in HS, perhaps they don’t want the protection or any gang association, perhaps they wanna make love not war, and most importantly, perhaps that’s ok?
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That being said. There are two issues here.
- New player can’t possibly know this. (But okay, I have no problem him learning it the hard way if he is greedy.)
- I found out when making alpha alt in amarr to try FW last year, that the game UI, specifically Buy option from somewhere in its default setting is buying the items not in station you are in, but elsewhere if they are cheaper, which in Domain region is gonna be Misaba. That is definitely a shitty design if you ask me.
If they buy it there manually because they are greedy and want to save money, it is absolutely fine they lose everything. If they buy it there because of shitty UI, then that is just stupid.
New players don’t know almost anything by definition. Crappy UI or not the universe is caveat emptor and they’re gonna have to figure out how to become Eve Market UI literate somehow.
We can 
on the UI or whatever but at the end of the day they have to reconcile the fact that they made a mistake. They can take a lesson, grow and move on, or blame a „stupid UI“ and learn nothing and never come back.
The reality is the UI could have been improved 100x and they still could have made the same mistake out of greed and will still blame the „stupid UI“ and refuse to learn a lesson and quit.
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Absolutely.
It is not a mistake, if you buy it because of greed. That is a choice.
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The problem why I don’t share your view is… the nuance you wanna make requires mind reading. No one can tell if someone pushes a button because of a sense of greed or a UI design. They can say lies about their thought process. (See: CSM thread about putting warning pop ups on warping to Drifter Holes in High Sec)
It is much more egalitarian to just say „buyer beware“ regardless of whatever’s going on in their head.
People think this viewpoint is cold and callous, but that’s exactly the fantasy world of Eve Online.
I would agree with you about the UI for issues like IRL accessibility issues. If someone visually impaired bought something because screen readers are incompatible with the client, for example. I view that as a bug with the game itself, treating someone IRL poorly.
Sorting by distance or cost is a choice, the game as of standard sorting by distance would make more sense.
Personally what I would want to see is an “explain this” button on windows like the market, which then directly lead to the agency’s help section with videos and tutorials (that section has gotten pretty good lately).
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I love how everyone is attempting to 10000000 IQ this…
HS is its own endgame. Just like LS/NS/WH space. They all thrive on each other.
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Easiest answer- i can do 100m runs in hs data/hacking nodes in the same time i can creep around null-sec to get 1/2 of that— only to have some dweeb pop in and cap my probe as i try to warp out- or wait to use a filament to get out- i would 10/10 hands down roll my probe thru null-sec over high-sec all day if half the cans in null-sec werent’ worth 20k-200k isk. Meanwhile, safe ass sites in high sec i’ve had 30m cans.
and HS is way better … ! never ever ! yes there are some bad cans in nullsec but you can easy double the reward as you would get in HS !
i wont refuse there are such cans ! but the most cans in HS are same worth like the worst cans in nullsec
now you wanna know where the hell i can take this information ? Nullsec and WH have the same sites so i know what i´m talking about because ive done this the last 3,5 years as i lived in WH space !
in HS you need to be lucky if you dont find a site wheres almost the last 1 can left with 1 carbon inside
in HS your reward is always less then in low / null / wh space ! only if youre a trader … but thats another story
Some have limited time and jsut want to blow up stuff quick and eazy. Mondays are hell for me time wise with after work stuff. I save grander pve for less busy nights.
Some leave alts as old as mains in empire for quick isk. In the past this char worked in empire when the 0.0 char was stuck waiting for the titan pitot(s) to show up. If over an an hour late something was done that was productive since the blob alliance char stuck in form up system.
There’s an easier explanation, which is that it is easier to explore the more dangerous space in newer alts nobody has ever heard of. If they do well, then you can say ’ ah…xyz is my alt’. If they do badly, then no-one need ever know.
I have over 100 million SP and I live in HS. Reasons:
Am old and cannot do fleet pings or respond to any call to arms. I have a demanding career and a family. Playing Eve is something I do when I have a spare half hour and literally nothing else to do - nothing to paint, no trails to hike, no grass to mow, no sports events to go to. I understand that when I was young, I would not have understood the demands of life on the middle-aged. I would have been yelling at older people “THIS IS YOUR TOP PRIORITY! GET IN FLEET!” But really, when someone says get in fleet, I don’t give a ■■■■ and usually have to log off about 5 minutes later.
I have lived in null multiple times. I have lived in a wormhole twice. Life for someone like me demands that the game bend to my outside world, not the other way around. That means I will never fly caps again, I will never own a titan, I will never be in a big battle.
My excitement comes from flying a cheetah around the galaxy ducking all of you and safe logging before an important meeting. Or running missions in a bling marauder and holding my breath that a gank team isn’t on the other side of the gate.
That’s how it is.
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thats absolutley ok and almost everyone can understand if you dont have other prioritys then playing eve ! but never forget → most of the eve players have the same thing like you ! they have work they need to go, they have a wife / husband they yell at them, they have kids which wanna need some time, they have ( sometimes ) other hobbys and they have offline friends !
its just a game and everyone decide to play or not to play and the reson are irrelevant !
if you wanna be in a nullsec corp then IT IS your first priority because you choose it ! they need to defend own territory and you have lot of boni because your alliance fight for ! and now they need to fight and this means → “THIS IS YOUR TOP PRIORITY! GET IN FLEET!”
maybe this is not your playstyle and this would be ok ! but then youre wrong in a nullsec alliance where you need to defend your property !
thats ok if you dont want to have the bonus from your alliance or the space they are lived in ! otherwise its just a dickmove and you need to be kicked as fast as possible !
thats ok if YOU love this gameplay !
That’s not your choice though is it?
Thankfully there are plenty of nullsec corps that don’t demand servitude from their members and are happy to just let them support the corp and alliance by other means.
you want to have profit of your space and as you see a ping you log of ? thats just a dickmove and need to be kicked ! such ppl dont come if you need them but they come if they wanna have a lot of profit of YOUR work !
you dont need to be a slave but you wanna have the good space for ratting and mining or you dont ?
then you have to fight for it ! does not mean you need to fight in every roam but if there is an important fleet and youre available … then you have to !
if you have other RL things to do then ok ! i´m the last one wo wanna say a game is more important then RL !
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Using your logic, then when our country says we are going to invade or send soldiers somewhere, then every man, woman, and child in the country should grab a gun and head to an office to get a uniform.
That’s not how nations work. It’s not how economics works.
Someone has to fund defense. Everyone dropping everything stops the flow of cash. I think if your corporation or alliance requires everyone to drop everything, I might just as easily accuse the organization leaders of taking sov they do not have the skills or economic might to hold.
That said, doesn’t matter to me. I’m living in an NPC structure and my golem is blowing up rats. The only person profiting from that activity is me right now. If I lived in null, I could be doing the same exact thing with an alliance or corp taxing that activity. Kicking someone like me is an economic loss to the corp, a gain for me personally, and net zero for their defense.
That decision making seems unwise.
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Nope, it’s just a game, you seem to have lost that overall picture.
If a corp wants to send me £15.99pm to pay my sub then they will have a say, but when I’m paying I decide what to do in game.
As I said, there’s plenty of corps that recognize that, what you think is irrelevant…
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you realy want to compare RL with a fictional space game ? oO
you need at first think about your stuff you wanna say then write it down ! because what you said is very stupid !
and how you fund your defense if you log of if there´s a ping coming ? that was the point ! logof for an important timer → kick your ass !
so a 2-3 hour op on evening stops everyone to get cash ? xD dude … ridiculus ! just riduculus !
nobody said you need to do everything your leadership wants oO
i just said if there is an important op its your part of your alliance to fight for it ! nothing else … if you think this would be slavery then i cant solve your problems xD
did you know whats also a economic loss to your corp ? if you lost your space because you dont fight for it ! an if its only YOUR personal win then again → you need to be kicked !
nothing else i said before xD
but your a part of your alliance in top nullsec space or not ? 
and you wanna crab in this space or not ? so you dont wanna lose this space or not ? and if you dont wanna lose your space then you have to fight for it !
lazy ppl like you are the reason why eve are going to hell ! want all the profit but only for free … you never want to do anything for it ! GIVE IT TO ME !
if you think this then why you wanna stand your point ? xD