Hope springs eternal!

Some are. And unlike you, she’s not a temp. So there’s that.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

Eh, no worries. If I’m not stirring up jealousy from the drama horse, vitriol from the trolls, and anger from the zealots and fanbois then I’m not doing my job right.

And on a completely unrelated side note, hey there @Solstice_Projekt! Don’t think I missed the comment you tossed into that Reddit thread or what you’ve been up to over in Hek. But seriously, N0GUM?

(Sorry for the aside, just tossing out a hello for not-so-old times sake.)

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:sweat_smile: Ain’t that the truth.
I think he’s jealous because you can write kickass posts that set the record straight while all he can do is write three-word sentences that are nowhere near the truth.
I just wonder why he hangs in around these forum. He doesn’t play the game and has no friends here because he spends his days trolling on forums.
Some people really need to get a life.

I agree 100% with that. That’s why when I went ratting couple days ago I jumped on that Orca. I knew I was going to get exploded but I needed some action right there and then and thought I have enough ships and modules to last me a few years, and the ship I was in wasn’t well fitted so I sacrificed it for the sake of making something happen.

The game isn’t going to get better with players not undocking and taking risks.

I actually like your posts, believe it or not

I guess I dont like feeling like its all doom and gloom, which sadly looking at things realisticly tends to end in.

I’d expect the leader of the largest alliance in Eve to get some action going.

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I agree…but I think people underestimate the extent to which the well has been poisoned. Maybe it takes a relative noob to see it, as all the vets are just so used to it all. The point is that every time someone posts an ‘Eve is doomed’ post of some sort, that mentality has a knock on effect on other players. It can end up becoming self fulfilling even if the original diagnosis was totally untrue.

It becomes impossible for anyone, even CCP, to become inspired if one has so many people going about chanting ’ Woe, woe…thrice woe !’

All the whiners need to just stop it. About turn…and be inspiring.

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For sure. A fresh pair of eyes on a problem can only help open someone’s mind to new possibilities and ways to fix it.

That is only true if there already are serious problems.
When a customer leaves a restaurant and says he’s never eating there again, others will want to know why. If the criticism is unfounded that restaurant will be fine but if 3/4 of the customers say that, the problem isn’t with the customers but with the restaurant.
People have been singing the doom of EVE for a long time yet here it still is.
Even the most optimistic person can’t ignore a rotten fruit.

There are risks of it, yes.
The problem is that CCP doesn’t do anything to prove those doomsayers wrong and keep chugging along like nothing is happening.
Lack of communication from CCP has hurt the game just as much as a doomsayer.

The thing is it’s only a minority singing ‘woe’. Most players in EVE want the game to live on but it’s hard to support a dev team that acts against its own players.
All those players who left the game didn’t leave because people sung ‘woe’, they left because they’re mad at CCP for ruining the game they love.

You can’t shut people up, that would be even more detrimental.
CCP needs to get their act together and start thinking more about the players and less about their profits.
$60 million dollars a year!! You can produce a blockbuster movie with that every year but CCP cannot revamp EVE with that?!
It’s either incompetence or a serious lack of imagination.

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But that sort of thing is nothing new. Anyone who’s ever worked for a big company or corporation in real life will have heard all the ‘inspiring’ CEO blurb and at some point thought ’ you have no idea what’s really going on in your company, do you '. The top management live somewhere on Cloud Nine and seldom get any direct input from the lower echelons. And company equivalents of Eve’s CSM often don’t say what really needs to be said.

I see lots of conflicting views on what revamp people actually want. Bear in mind that a lot of relative noobs in Eve ( 57% of all players joined since 2018 ) probably haven’t yet explored all the existing functionality in Eve. I’ve been in Eve 9 months and still discover ‘new content’ and options regularly. It’s mainly the vets asking for new content…and they never seem able to agree what that should consist of.

It may be nothing new but when your company starts bleeding customers like the Exon Valdez bled oil into the sea, any CEO would perk up and wonder what the hell is going on.
Of course, when the company’s work ethics are based on Rock’n’Roll it’s no wonder quality goes down.

I think that cloud nine got busted when Pearl Abyss withheld hundreds of millions of dollars from CCP because they didn’t perform to expectations.

You can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. What do they need to understand that what they been doing just isn’t working, a schematics?
I have read posts from member of CSM saying " I told them but they didn’t listen" and at that point you have to wonder if they do it on purpose or if they live in a cave.

How hard is it to look at data from periods when EVE had plenty of players and re-implement the same mechanics but only better for the customer?
Just removing all nerfs they did on the game would be a good start in the right direction. That’s just one example. I don’t know EVE enough to think of a better one.

At this point, any new content would be welcomed. Just as long as it’s not as lame as what they came up with before.

I mean, what was up with Blackout?? What a stupid thing to think of !
It seems to me that CCP played social experiments with their players and it blew up in their face.

I agree. However, people in general are very good at “resisting the impulse to change for the better even when it’s really needed”. The history of the world is one of “we accepted the status quo until it became unbearable, and then we fought for change”.

CCP is comfortable, huddling in their little ivory tower, reaffirming to themselves each day that they’re fearless visionaries striving for excellence while also “creating virtual worlds that are more meaningful than reality”. (No, seriously, that’s the corporate mantra.) The paychecks are coming in, they get to pretend they’re moving forward while daddy PA handles the bills, and nobody’s holding them accountable for sabotaging their own one single successful product ever.

That means they’re extremely unlikely to change.

CCP deeply needs an intervention. And the way I post isn’t aimed at making CCP fail - it’s aimed at raising awareness and anger to the point where enough people say “I reject the status quo and will fight for change”.

That’s the intent, at any rate - we all know the chances of success when well under 5% of the players even look at the forums and CCP doesn’t bother at all.

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  • 3 players out of a thousand agree with it, because they can understand trends
  • 4 players out of a thousand argue with it, because they can’t read graphs or remember history
  • 5 players out of a thousand post memes and pictures of cat-ears or pink spaceships
  • 988 players continue playing as usual, because they never look at the forums anyway.

Why not both?

Well yes, because you’re reading the forums and misinterpreting tiny fractions of the playerbase as being representative. It’s not the players job to decide what changes are needed. That’s what professional game designers do. They problem is that CCP insists on putting Icelanders in charge of management, and the entire talent pool of Iceland is roughly the size of Cleveland, Ohio.

They need design, project management and code development skills that they simply don’t have available and they refuse to spend EVE money on acquiring them. They’ve opened foreign offices and then shut most of them down again, and even when they do that, they’re still managed by incompetents.

The game is a sandbox - CCP doesn’t need to keep providing ‘new content’. What they need to provide is the reward, risk, goal-setting and environment-changing sandbox tools so that players can continue to create their own content.

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Why not indeed!
I was also thinking about sabotage. Wouldn’t be the first time it happens in a company.

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