I agree…WarDec mechanics are mostly fine now.
I still see quite a number of citadels in the systems I visit. It’s just a personal opinion that there are too many structures in space. So it really just comes down to how one defines “too many”.
That being said, my point was not really to argue citadel spamming as such. I only mentioned ease of anchoring citadels, because the argument made by Lugburz was that suicide gankers should not be allowed to dock in NPC stations. So my reply is me pointing out, that in order for that to have any noticable effect, it needs to be harder to anchor structures in highsec.
Thank you for establishing some relevant context. As it happens, my account was not new, though at the time this account had quite low SP and no resources beyond the Heron I had received from completing the Exploration career agent, and about 2 million ISK.
I had returned to the game (and specifically, this character) after a longish absence to check out the current NPE (the Inception one, at that time), and knock off some Career agents for starter ISK, ships, and faction standing. So I was neither new, nor a rookie, nor a ‘veteran hiding in a rookie system’. I was, however, on a character only a few weeks old in ‘game played’ time, and as the zKillboard link I added showed, I wasn’t talking primarily about my incident, I was linking his months of doing the same thing in the career agent system.
However, I concluded that possibly CCP thought as you did, that he was not actually breaking the rules, although the history of kills would indicate otherwise. And/or that his pattern just wasn’t worth doing anything, and/or they didn’t care, and/or they took action, but it took several months. Hard to say, since they don’t reveal actions.
Again you fail at reading comprehension. That’s okay though, I was impressed you managed to be coherent for the first couple sentences.
I made no point. A person asked for supporting evidence of rookie system griefing. I provided a zKillboard link with a number of examples. That is all. Hard to call zKillboard links ‘BS’ but you are free to believe whatever you like.
And?
Not veiled at all. I am fully aim to insult idiots and cowards.
Correct. And?
I am here to stay and bugger the hell out of whiny little bitches like you,
Hence, you were a veteran coward. Thank you for coming clean. Your complaint about the GM was unfounded and you should be ashamed
The rest of your garbage I didn’t read.
I am done with you.
Ah OK, well I agree with him that making them lose docking rights in NPC stations is a good move in terms of consequences, it is something I have argued for a long time.
I go to some systems and I am blown away by the number of structures but then again I look at my homes system and there are none.
Yes in a number of systems, but people are working through them. But how exactly did CCP make it harder recently? That is not something I noticed.
I keep saying it is not that bad as there is salvage of P4 stuff.
It is a way to make ISK, most people don’t contest.
Pity that you are no longer doing it and of course thanks for detailing how much you made.
Lucky person. Why do you even post, all you do is throw brainless insults at people you decide you don’t like.
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The timers used to be set that you only had to take down the armor for offline stations (ie no fuel to operate shields). So you would find an unused station, and drop the armor when the time was right. With the changes, regardless of fuel, you need to drop shields AND armor at the same time which doubles your initial attack time.
It is a way to make ISK, most people don’t contest.
Off the top of my head, I think I’ve attacked about 70 station and only 2 were defended. I lost a BS to one and the other I blackmailed a bit into paying my WarDec fee in exchange for peace…The biggest threat is actually from other large corps like PIRAT(?) and Marmite as not only will they assist any corp you have wardeced but they will also steal the bash from you.
Pity that you are no longer doing it and of course thanks for detailing how much you made.
No prob…if you have any questions PM me of post here…if you’re interested it doing it, all you really need are 2 Omegas that can fly T1 BS with T2 weapons…I tried to get back into it recently with just 2 toons but my timezone issue and the cost of PLEX right now isn’t worth it…
your here to bugger me? eeww no thanks, keep your hands to yerself pal, i dont know where youve been… probably in the bins looking for a meal…
The proposal of removing docking rights has a lot of issues though… without even thinking long about the whole topic.
What are people going to use to determine if anyone is allowed to dock? Will any criminal action in high sec remove your docking rights forever? Will the sec status of the pilot determine if they can dock in high sec?
If a single infraction is enough to remove the docking rights, you open a whole new can of worms, with suicide ganking being the only option to at least try and stop people in npc corps or non war eligable corps mining at high sec moons.
There are plenty of reasons outside of full time high sec piracy where ganking can be used to bring some consequences to the actions of people even in high sec.
If security status is used as deciding factor, people who are not even gankers will be punished as well. Everyone will be punished for PvPing in low sec.
Now for me those reasons are enough to not go through with it already. However the main issue is… it will not remove or lower ganking in high sec. As people mentioned already… big groups like CODE won´t be affected by it. The only people you punish are smaller groups, who do not have the manpower or enough non blinky alts to defend citadels. And thus removing gameplay options once again from the little guy.
The past should already have taught people what happens when you do that. People who really are interested in ganking will just merge together to form bigger entitys or will join CODE, who already won´t care about a change like that.
So in the end it just makes game content less accessible for the individual, but doesn´t change anything about the situation as a whole, which definetly is not the way to go.
I’m not supporting removing docking rights. Having been perma flashy myself because of being a lowsec pirate, I do see some issues with it.
The issue being more nuanced and not having an easy “fix”, was indeed the point that I made in the original post I replied to Lugburz.
All I’m saying is that if this is a solution one considers, then the ease of anchoring highsec citadels also needs to be examined. With the current mechanics, it is not hard to anchor a citadel to stage from when docking rights to NPC stations are lost.
Sorry if my post seemed like I wanted to indicate that you are for it, that was not my intention… I merely wanted to use your post as entry point into the conversation as to make it clear which of the things being discussed here, I was refering too :).
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This is what i’m saying for MONTHS now but the bittervets do not want changes towards a game that can sucessfully compete on the market…
They want 2003 and 2003 ONLY…and simply don’t SEE that this demand,their demand,is bad for the game and so are they bad for the game.
“we did it like this for 15 years now”…and “eve should rather die than to change away from what it is”…
This is the bittervet agenda and they have no problem with that…
May the last one turn the light off…
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You mean people that do not share your conservative opinion?
All of these are idiots and cowards?
And cowards?
Why cowards? because they do not want to fight around a couple of pixels and just want to chill after work?
You are a real hero…everybody that is not playing as you think eve should be played is an idiot…
Hello Mr. Trump…
Really?
So this game can perish?
If the game is changed to the point where it’s no longer what it was designed as, is it even still the same game
This game is designed to bring a profit…
The bittervets don’t see it like this…
For them eve is designed to comfort them in their cozy neck of the woods they’ve choosen to call a home ingame.
So any change away from this is outrageous and blasphemic.
And the holy inquisition may come upon those sinners that DARE to even suggest a reasonable change to the present…whatever it may be,it cannot be…
Reasonable change is subjective.
EVE is a single shard PVP dystopia, does your suggestion change this? If it does it’s bad for the game.
CCP has made a profit for many years with marking a game for a Niche market.
I am a bitter vet, yet I hardly see it this way. Maybe your stuck dealing with the wrong bitter vets?
Edit; we fought to control a useless sys just cause it was good highsec PI. When we moved, we gave all the poco’s to a noob corp in sys on the condition that they call us if anyone came knocking. Someone did come knocking and we came running. So I guess I don’t see your point…
EVE is Dying™
Funny how this is always the emotional card played and is the equivalent to “if I don’t get my way I will take my toys and go home.”
Again. It’s a sandbox…L2P or go away…I’ve lost a few ships in HS to ganks over the years and yet made billions over billions. Why can’t you?