Ghost
My first EVE trial was somewhere between 2007 and 2009. It wasn’t a “golden age for rookies”.
I don’t think the hardness of the game matters much after someone has got themselves “set up” (adequate income, in-game friends and contacts).
For some people there’s no natural path in EVE for getting set up. Yet everyone comes to EVE expecting PvP, and everyone comes knowing losing your ship is permanent. Those aren’t what make people lose interest.
Thank you for pointing out the blatantly obvious, I’m sure that everybody in this thread has been inspired by your display of brilliance.
You must be thinking you are so smart.
It’s just words as far as you’re concerned.
“Carebear” still pops up when any newer player dares to suggest restrictions to the rights of experienced players to do anything they like to anyone they like. Like the old (and just changed) high-sec Wardec mechanism - which, it seems, wasn’t such a good idea after all.
The lesson “bittervet denial” teaches beginners is about the kind of people they will meet in the game.
How to make this game better for more players?
Easy
Less pvp in all sectors of the game and consequent banning of all players that harass other players with ganking,gatecamps and jumping in missions just to provoke an attack.
The less unsanctioned pvp in the game the more players will join simply because this annoying brats can no longer FORCE their playstyle on any other player without any risk.
A ban for attacking an unarmed ship like a miner or an industrial in high is more than deserved.
Harrasment should be treated as harrasment,bottom line.
This is what this game lacks.
Control
Sometimes it’s really that easy.
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Balos?
LSG Clone?
Who cares?
Lets take 2 theoretical new Eve players.
The former is a carebear, the latter is an Eve player.
I know that in many other games a PvE biased playstyle will earn you the same label, in Eve it is sometimes used in that way; however, I pursue a PvE biased playstyle, yet few would call me one.
To expand on this, some of the biggest “carebears”–i.e. PvE players, are PvP players. People with KBs that clearly point towards a proclivity towards PvP can also be found out there mining, building, killing rats, station trading, etc. Yes, sometimes a player engaged in this kind of an activity will say, “Oh yeah, I’m bearing it up,” or something like it.
So the usage of the word is certainly not consistent. But, when used pejoratively it usually entails someone as Jonah describes…a player who demands the rest of the game to change to suit his needs. And yeah, often when it is used against a specific player it often turns out that that player typically engages in PvP vs. PvP…which just adds to the confusion and inconsistency.
So control is bad because pvp would be controlled?
Don’t mistake " * doesn’t like the rules and demands that they be changed to how they want to play." with " *doesn’t like the rules and points out how they are flawed to make them better."
Carebears is a term used for players that don’t want to PvP versus other players and sometimes doesn’t want others to PvP either. Eve speak my say different, but that what the term means to the rest of the internet.
Eve is a PvP, it’s jsut what it is. The Concord system attempts to punish “pirates” to make the game friendlier to new players, but make no mistake that the game at it’s core is PvP. Without destruction of player goods the economy would be obliterated, it’s the life cycle of Eve.
No a carebear is someone that don’t want to be forced a playstyle upon that he does not like nor has paid for.
In this game would be way less carebears if there was a safe heaven for those"carebears".
Fact is that pvp is favored in any fields of the game so demanding for less pvp is not carebearing,it’s necessary.
If you don’t want to engage in PvP then this is not really the game for you. You can be shot at at anytime and in any part of the game. And based on your actions that becomes more or less likely.
Sry but this is BS.
Who pays and wants no pvp has the same dam right to do it as others have…
You are playing the wrong game too then, IMO.
? Never said I don’t like Pvp… I play Eve, would be silly to play if I didn’t. Was clarifying the term.
Not in a game that is fundamentally a PvP game.
This is something that can be changed on the blink of an eye.
Please look at the above answer