I believe Warp To Zero destroyed Eve (We should allow indterdictor SHIPS to operate in low-sec)

I did, and I think I am spot on with my assessment of you.

Eve is supposed to be a hard game, you have to find the right targets and you have to actually get them, if you think that this means you can just walk in on them then Eve is not the game for you.

I acknowledge that it made pirating in lowsec too hard, but on the other side it made it way too easy when you had to burn 15 km to the gate, seriously stupidly easy. I will let you into a little secret, before I started the game as Dracvlad I played Eve as a Lowsec pirate with thousands of kills, most of which were handed to me by this mechanic. So I repeat what I said, you want easy kills.

Except, it USED TO BE that you’d ALWAYS encounter someone, and maybe lose a ship.

What mechanic? The bubbling in low-sec mechanic? Because we don’t have that, do we?

For light interdictors, bubbles cost money, and are active not passive.

For Heavy Interdictors you have to tank the gate guns (which isn’t difficult) and are a target for those who jump in to break your camp.

“Lowsec is less dangerous than it used to be” and “lowsec is safer than highsec” are not the same thing. Stop trying to prove the second by providing evidence for the first.

Stop being stupid, warping to 15 km from the gate, I repeat so you get it:

I will let you into a little secret, before I started the game as Dracvlad I played Eve as a Lowsec pirate with thousands of kills, most of which were handed to me by this mechanic. So I repeat what I said, you want easy kills.

Ok, sorry… I didn’t know if you were being stupid. So yeah, I look/was stupid there.

Yeah, but as I just said above… dropping inditerdictor spheres for dictors is an active job. And if they got shot by gate guns for doing it, it can be hairy.

A heavy interdictor would be a target, and an expesnive one at that.

And, dictor bubbles don’t cover gates completely, it requires a lot of bubbles to completely cover a gate, giving people a chance to escape, or requiring more people actively bubbling the gate.

All of these things create an opportunity for community.

I am not against bubbles in lowsec personally, in fact I think I would support that, but not this 15 km from the gate.

Then you haven’t read the thread.

My these is, Warp-To-Zero ruined (I said “Destroyed”), or made less fun, Eve Online.
My proposed solution is, allow inderdictor SHIPS to operate in low-sec.
(but NOT anchorable bubbles.)

  • And it would count as a hostile act to do so.

I did, I just did not agree with this:

Obviously the loss of easy capture mechanics that only numb nuts fell for was a loss, but the clear out of those numb nuts was even worse in terms of removing fun.

The thing is that I when I was a lowsec pirate got so many stupidly easy kills from this in a way ruined the game for me when I played like that. It was like taking candy from babies, which is why I gave my account away and stopped playing.

However:

Is something I would support because I think it makes sense. I think it would create a better balance and enable pirating more and that would be a good thing, so yes. I would also allow this in hisec too, but have it as a criminal act if you catch in your bubble and prevent from warping people that are not at war or you have a duel.

You’re rude.

On top of that, you’re wrong. He’s not full of ■■■■, he’s actually right. I know, because I’ve spent a good deal of time in lowsec. I live there, for the most part. These days I do exploration mostly, but I used to be FW (I still roam when it suits me), and a long time ago (on another toon) I was in a pirate group. And @Marcus_Right is quite correct, lowsec is boring as hell, because everyone left. Maybe not for the reason he’s saying, but the issue he brings up is no less valid.

I am one of the people who actually plays in lowsec.

Are you?

Exactly!

Well, I wasn’t proposing we bring back 15km. As I’ve said many times, that genie is out of the bottle. heck, making auto-pilot 10km now is great too, with the current way things are.

But, as I said, dropping bubbles from ships is an active thing. You have to space them out correctly if you’re using multiple ships (not difficult, but requires some thought) it’s a hostile action, and I don’t think sabres and other interdictors can stand up to gate guns for too long… which would probably mean dropping a bubble and getting out as quickly as possible before cooling down and dropping another.

HICs could probably sit under gate guns and feel like a message. But, then you’re still not covering the entire gate if I’m not mistaking (I don’t fly HICs or see them too often) which means you’d need more than one HIC. And the HICs are big targets. Granted, a HIC can help kill the enemies that get stuck in it, which is a benefit… but, again, you’re a big target.

If HICs could sit under gate guns too easily, then I might propose what someone else said, and make the gate guns stronger. I just don’t think we should jump to that right away however… let’s give people the ability to use HICs and Dictors in low-sec and see how it goes a while… if they’re too strong, then up gate gun power (and range if needed) maybe. Heck, many gate guns are probably in disrepair from not needing to be fired in so long.

I’m just proposing a single change in this thread, and I haven’t started other threads for other changes I’d propose, yet.

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As long as you can get that ship got from HS>LS gate… pretty high and thats good. And your videos of flying around low sec barely touching HS<>LS connections are quite deceptive.

I’ve made four videos so far, and three of them starts in HS and ends in LS. I thought about making more, but I decided I had made my point and would rather use my character to mine than auto-pilot through LS more.

I would film my other toons doing it, but I don’t want to give up their identies or routs. Because, while low-sec should be more dangerous, I don’t want them being hunted specifically, that’s just dumb.

Also, if I can do this, bots could do this. I multi-box, not bot, but bots could do this. And, I often manually warp my other toons for speed, but sometimes autopilot them (usually when they’re empty) because I’m lazy, or go to the restroom, or fridge or something.

Check the first post. All from LS to HS.

1st video - all lowsec.
2nd video - you do fly through HS, but its HS island between LS systems so it might as well be all LS travel.

After these 2 i doubt there is anything worth wasting time watching in other videos. As i said - you are deceptive and just want free kills without thinking of consequences of the change.

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You’re correct, I already corrected that. The first one was me leaving my home in nullsec.

Yes, I fly to a HS island in low-sec, because if you followed the thread, that is one of the only times people HAVE to go through low-sec. Otherwise I could just go HS all the way.

So many people want to change the calculation, remove something…

“If we remove this, then people will (think they have a chance and be more likely to) fight me.”

“If we remove that, then people will (think they have a chance and be more likely to) fight me.”

What Eve needs is a point of conflict, something to fight over… or more things to fight over.

“I really want/need to go through that gate. They’re on the gate. I guess I have to fight. I can’t win, so I’ll get some friends, maybe we can win together.”

“I really want to camp that gate, but that corp is securing the system so I can’t. Letting all those Faction Warefare people through. I’m going to form my own corp and take over the system so i can attack those idiotioc faction warefare people!”

OR

“I really want to sit on those faction warafre beacons. But those pirates keep camping the gate. Maybe I’ll form a corp to take the system over so we can farm those beacons!”

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JFC how do you think you have anywhere near enough understanding of bubble/gatecamp mechanics to comment here? You don’t cover the entire gate with a bubble, you put your bubble 200km behind the gate in line with the gate your target is coming from.

We’ve lost the need to fight, and now we just have a bunch of people itching to fight and unable to find them… so the they do things that should be stupid, like invite people to come attack us, or set up tournaments.

Tournaments are fine… but it shouldn’t be necessary in Eve to get a fight.
Inviting people to come attack you is fine… but it shouldn’t be necessary in Eve to get a fight.

People talk about “Whaling” as a way of fighting inflation. We shouldn’t be destroying mining ships with the only reason being, “to fight inflation.” That’s just dumb.

We should be destroying mining ships, so we can mine that ore ourselves! THAT ORE, RIGHT THERE!

But we don’t need to, there’s more than enough ore to go around.

I’ve mentioned, I have other threads I plan to start. I don’t want this thread to get off topic.

My intention is to bring the fun back into a game I used to love being addicted to.

Then maybe you should address the over-abundance of resources directly rather than through putting insta-death gategamps everywhere.

Eh-hem.