The material loss is not the issue. My ship losses so far amount to less than 1% of all my ISK.
The real issue is the game being so focused on ‘kills’. That is the true currency. The reason I stopped taking my Condors out for a PvE spin was not fear of losing their material worth…heck I could buy a thousand of them with my ISK balance…but not wanting to have yet another ship loss recorded when I don’t have a kill to my name yet.
The game only records my being killed. It doesn’t record all the failed attempts at ganking me. It doesn’t record the thousands of tons of ore I’ve mined. In fact nobody really knowns anything…not how much ISK I have, how many NPC ships I have destroyed, etc, etc…except that I’ve been killed 7 times.
Death is the true currency in Eve. I’d happily go out and waste 100 Condors a day if nobody was recording it.
Well stats aren’t really important in EVE. Other games do use them as a ranking and hierarchical system, or for joining certain groups etc.
In EVE stats are so irrelevant in general that CCP leaves it up to 3rd party sites to do, they don’t even care.
As Destiny says, learn PvP on a disposable alt, or stop caring about stats at all. Nobody else does except a few corps for recruitment or some forum arguments.
If they would admit to that then they’d also admit to EVE being a PvP game and they can’t do that. Feelings and opinions are more important than facts and logic.
And if their feelings are in danger of getting overthrown by facts and logic folks resort to blind rage and shouting. Because that is the intelligent thing to do.
My noob perspective ( and its the one that really ought to matter to CCP right now ) is that the emphasis on ‘kills’ holds people back.
There is a simple maths to it. You start off as a noob in a Condor or something, and get killed several times. You realise that that rate of being killed is precisely because you are flying a crappy Condor. So you go for a Caracal. Then you realise that even a Caracal is not up to the job. And so on…and here’s the important bit…at each stage you find yourself holding back. It’s like ’ tomorrow I will have the skills and the ships I need '. But it becomes a perpetual ‘jam tomorrow’…because the bigger and better ship you have the more you realise just how much bigger and better there can be and how experienced everyone else is.
If ‘kills’ were not so important then the loss of 300 Condors, 57 Caracals, and 7 Hecate would pass by trivially. But of course, one does not want to end up with 'oh look…its that player who’s lost 363 ships '.
But the thing is, you won’t loose all those ships without getting kills and getting better. If you actually took the time to rack up 300 frigate losses in lowsec, the experience you gained would make you a terrifying force in frigate warfare. The people I fly with in a daily basis have collectively lost thousands of ships, worth trillions of isk. Look at Romantic Exorcism’s killboard. The dude has lost thousands of ships and is one of the best FCs in eve. He got there by fighting, and losing.
Lol…well I would be if I hadn’t had to change the skills queue back to Cilla for the mining changes. But yes, I do have a character who’s skilling solely for combat and not in any corp, and she’ll be my ‘solo AG’ player…and is gonna have fun.
You can literally make 4 new accounts (self-refer yourself), and have each one training for frigate/cruiser combat for a specific race for free. Each one will have over 6,000,000+ SP* by the time it’s done, and will have all relevant Alpha skills maxed out, including T2 weapons. You can even dual-spec some of them to use pirate ships.
*Redeem the free 1,000,000 SP only after finishing the free training.
Absolutely. To the perceiver, perception is reality.
Keep in mind though that the average gamer never even checks out the forums, and it’s really only on the forums or Reddit etc. that you’re going to hear about Zkill. Or in a few game discussions in the chat channels.
In the actual game, this doesn’t show up anywhere. It’s not something newbies will see.
As for the “bigger is better”, “wait til my bigger ship or next skill” issue, that tends to be something people bring in from other games as a base assumption. It doesn’t really work as well in EVE.
You can be PvPing in frigates in a week, and a frigate can take out a BS or BC in many situations if fit and piloted decently. It is easier for small ships to take out bigger ships than it is for big ships to kill smalls, in general. (Assuming a decent base skill level and fit.)
The general advice if a player wants to “go for it” in learning PvP is just to ferry 10 or 12 frigates and the gear to equip them over to a Faction Warfare or low sec border, make it your home station, fly out and blow them all up in PvP. You’ll learn something from every battle, and they’re cheap to replace.
It’s better if you do it with a corp or friends so you can pick up tips and share stories along the way of course, but solo is fine too. And the “do it on an alt” option is still there too. Heck, you can even ask people you PvP against what their recommendations or analysis of the fight was, you’d be surprised how many will offer useful input.
I also find some to the “how to” videos helpful and this little guide from a few years back was a good overview of various PvP styles even though it focuses on T1 frigates; T1 Frigate Balance Report
There may be a more recent one published, that’s the last one I had stickied though.
Nah bro. You’re ignoring it cause its wrecking your narrative But then again you don’t even play so
Who does PvE in a condor?
This makes 0 sense.
And you, considering you try to use it as justification all the time
You ain’t a noob tho. Lets at least be honest bruv. I really don’t get the hiding behind an alt thing.
Its wrong cause you don’t know how to EVE nor fit ships. For quafe’s sake use Google, go on EVE Work Bench or reddit. Download pyfa. Fit ships according to dmg and lvl of PvE. It really ain’t hard.
Its cause they don’t understand the loss is a story too. I lost a 1v1 last night. Learned some things, had some fun. Was worth burning in space
I think its cause the younger generation doesn’t know how to properly do it. The gift of gab can be hard to come by and the art of trolling is just that, an art.
When you think about it, if you’re 30+ or older, you were raised on text in terms of internet. Chat programs, forums, IRC, MUDs etc. All we had was text as the medium and words as our weapons.
Hell, one of the reasons I can type blindingly fast is a combo of that Super Mario typing game and UO, where you had no choice but to be able to type fast, esp during combat.
Not to say there aren’t younger peeps adept at trolling. But I feel true trolling is a dying art almost.
Epeen tries, he has some good opening feints but it kinda peters out.
Some of Aiko’s crew are alright at it. but tend to rely too much on catch phrases. Not to say those aren’t useful, but you gotta lead them along that trail before walloping them with the phrase again.
I get labeled as a troll all the time, yet I’m not even really trying to actively troll. Although I did get banned several times from Lum The Mad’s forum but that was clearly not my fault
But then again you don’t even play so