We aren’t roleplaying. We are actual people in real-life who know high sec mining is a criminal act, and we believe James 315 is the saviour of highsec.
Praise be unto Him on Highsec.
We are lawful good paladins in real-life, dedicated to helping miners abstain from the evils of the veld. If we were roleplaying, we would pretend to be something else.
is a rogue drone network with no legal authority whatsoever.
Look at every post of yours…if CODE was irrelevant you wouldn’t be here yet you are…day-in and day-out.
Those are big-boy tears.
I don’t fly for CODE any more…been about 2.5 years actually since I hung-up those wings.
Maybe go look yourself…
You are here talking about them, again, so they are…
Calm down miner. Remember what the doctor said about your blood pressure.
No it isn’t.
When something is not relevant, nobody speak about it.
The simple fact that you see messages about them every day (and here I’m not speaking about you specifically), is more than enough to proove that they are relevant.
Excuses like “comedy value” are just that, excuses.
Because we are usually not into that metagaming business and solve our problems by using ingame tools already available (AKA playing the game) and not by crying to CCP to change the game in our favor.
This was a sarcastic comment as the ag crowd usually justifies their call for more ganking nerfs with “you have it too easy, don’t you like a more challenging game?” But you are absolutely right, increasing HP has nothing to do with adding challenge. It’s usually a stupid n+1 game and just increases investment and therefor the threshold for something to get ganked.
The difference is that gankers usually kill the target for profit and therefor a new balance will eventually be reached no matter the nerf/buff. The anti gankers who just blow up wrecks on the other hand get nothing out of it except for the feeling they just ruined someone else’s profit. Now in my opinion they can cry all day that they are no longer able to just grieve on the cheap, I don’t care.
I’m a miner ganker. I used to gank freighter in fleets a long time ago but not recently. Some are still around, some do other things, some left. It’s a game after all, it’s all constantly in flux for various reasons.
No we don’t
James 315 is my saviour and he will rescue highsec from the bot aspirants. I truly believe that.
There is a clear problem in AFK mining and all around bot-aspirant behavior in highsec. But at the same time dunking miners is just hilarious and never gets old. It is the perfect combination, as an Agent of The New Order you do good by having fun.
That’s really all there is to it. Don’t try to overthink it.
Not if “you” start talking about it.
If many people start talking about it.
I’m not talking about the forum specifically.
Open Youtube, search for a video about EvE, read comments: There is like 80% chance to see here a comment about someone who feel the need to warn every viewer that “he used to play the game but because of players like CODE. he decided to leave”, or complaining about them in one way or an other.
I doubt CODE. players are creating alts in several medias just to post complain about themselfs.
60 alts is still only 1 person.
But I’m starting to understand that people on this forum prefer to believe that every people who oppose their view must be alts, I suppose it make it easier to accept than having to aknowledge the fact that there is really several differents humans disagreeing with them.
No you’re not. Your statement was “they are not relevant”, so unless you consider that relevancy in EvE is only related to the forum, you are not speaking about the forum either.
Yeah, same problem that I already signaled with the first quote: Convincing yourself that those are not real people but just alts everywhere is easier to accept.
Possible.
However I don’t know more about you or other “Anti Code” of this forum, and in the absence of proof (an other tradition on EvE forum: “Never proove what you say!”), you give me no reason to believe you more than them.
I don’t. But you don’t, either. So when you are basing your arguments around the fact that “they are alts”, you are basing your arguments on something you don’t really know and can’t proove anyway.
I don’t know, maybe it is.
However, what I know for sure is that there is a specific category of players always ressorting to this argument that “other are alts”, but of course when someone come to defend their view, suddently this one cannot be an alt, it’s obviously a genuine human agreeing with them.
If you are gonna assume that everybody use alts to inflate their views, then you have to assume this technique is used by both sides in the debate, unless you gathered specific proofs.
I believe it at least have been, for a time. A long enough time for a noticeable part of the playerbase to still fear/hate them, no matter their current capabilities, if they happen to be as low as you are pretending.
This post is me talking about a major reason why I started playing EvE.
I see no problem with it being the second post of my forum account.
Yes, the CODE. website is something I found amazing and is one of the “Outside of the game media” that convinced me to download EvE.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the thing I was stating a few minutes ago: Some people (which you sadly seem to be part of) are so convinced that nobody can legitimately like their view of the game, that when someone actually happen to like it, then the only possible explanation is that it is an alt.
So I’m gonna give you the same answer I gave to the other guy already accusing me of being an alt: You can contact me on Reddit or Discord any time you want, including in vocal if you need to go as far, in order to “verify my identity”.
Strangely enough the other guy never contacted me on the said accounts. Too afraid of breaking his paranoia bubble, probably.
Edit: Oh, and just so you know, last week I started to bring to the game some IRL friends who have the same kind of view of the game than me.
Please, don’t forget to accuse them of being other alts of myself, so we can have a good laugh about it.
No, YOU think it’s relevant.
I don’t think this website shows off antisocial and harassing behavior.
But since you apparently did read that post then I suppose I don’t have to explain one more time the reason why I like it. Or do I?
Because I use those accounts on a dayly basis (To be fair even several hours a day, so…), and it would be fairly easy to distinguish me as being one specific individual that do not correspond to an other guy on this forum.
What else do you want?
Just ask.
Well, unless you are gonna told me that “I doN’t SpEaK lIkE a NeW pLaYeR”, 'cuse I’m not gonna change my subjects of interest and my point of view about them just to correspond to what you believe I should be.
Yeah, I’m sure you know that’s not how I sold the game.
Of the three of them, one is here for participating with me in the RP community, the other one is here because we have been doing ganking together in several other games the past decade so yeah, I bet he wil love CODE. too, and the last one to be fair is only here because we are, and will most likely leave without even buying Omega LMAO.
Good. Then you know I can legitimately find what I’ve seen of them appealing.
Well, yes, it is.
But it’s some fairly specific cases and going with this mentality is the path to some hardcore paranoia.
The same kind of paranoia that in the end is the reason why, since a few days, I have to spend half of my posts defending myself about accusations of being someone else, rather than discussing about arguments on a given subject. Despite the fact that, in 90% of the case, knowing if I am an alt or not wouldn’t even be relevant to the conversation.
Tho I actually believe that some players know very well that I am not an alt (I mean if you really read my posts it is obvious that I do lack knowledge on many subjects), but since my opinions are strongly opposed to theirs, they are gonna harass me about it on a regular basis with the hope of making me rage-quit this forum.
I’m bringing them into nothing tho, I do like CODE., or at least what I know about CODE., but I am not playing with/for them.
Not yet, at least.
For now I am playing in a High-Sec corp trying to defend it’s structure against an other corp at war against them, last week-end they brought me in my first low-sec roam from which I didn’t get any kill and lost a ship to a gate camp, but had a lot of fun.
It’s also something that you are assuming too fast: Since I (sometimes, not even always) defend CODE. in forum debates, then I should be a member of CODE. already. (which probably can be put in the same category that “I must be one of their alt”).
I am not. I might become one, one day. For now, not the case.
I can’t deny that I do use insults sometimes, but I’m also under the impression that I spend the vast majority of my posts trying to give detailled and argumented paragraphs about my ideas and opinions.
Ironically, when I do that, very often it end-up with the other participants not responding at all to the argumented parts, and only ever react to the part where, yes, sometimes I loose control a little bit.
This is not the reality.
I’ve never called them “amazing”, and you should probably see in my posts that when I post “in their favor”, I am arguing against people that I consider to be sprouding false accusations against them, much more than I am actively praising their activities.
I believe you are one of the most rational people with which I had this odd conversation about “Who am I?”, so I’m pretty sure you clearly see the differences in those two approachs and what they imply.
This again is not the reality.
An other thread on which I have been fairly active was the thread speaking about solo players and “anti-solo players”.
In this thread my point of view was opposed to the one of several member of CODE. and one of them procedeed to troll me on this thread on several occasions.
I do disagree with them in some aspects.
As for now, I have participated in a noticeable maner in only three threads, two where we have the same opinion, one where we have not. It’s quite a small sample, and IMO a TOO small sample to already claim that we have the same opinion “about every subject”.
Something I already answered to.
First of all, I might be new to EvE, but not to MMORPG. Secondly, yes, I’m the kind of person who spend an unhealthy amount of time reading everything about the game when I’m not playing it.
So, yeah, I probably do have more knowledge than a regular newbie, it’s my way to play games, I wan’t to learn fast and I consider it important to take the best possible approach to progress fast as soon as possible.
Should I act stupid and pretend that I don’t know things for which I already spend a huge amount of time reading tutorials so I look more new? Please, that’s ridiculous.
Maybe I can however direct you once more to Discord, where I post most of the questions I actually happen to have, since it is IMO a much more dynamic and appropriated place for this kind of thing, while forums are more for huuuge argumented post like we are doing right now.
Actually I don’t think so, since I do love the philosophy but really not the gameplay of Suicide Ganking, it’s quite possible that I never commit to do it myself.
I don’t.
That’s the point of the word “consider”.
Quite a lot of people on this forum already managed to make me admit that I was wrong or change my view a little bit on something, when they actually take the time to discuss the matter with arguments and explanations, rather than going down the road of telling me that “I believe that way because I am an alt!”, which of course have no chance to have any influence on what I think and will most likely make me ignore the person if we happen to cross road on an other thread.
However, and this is also something I have already explained, EvE might be very unique in some aspects, it is also very similar to other games in some other aspects.
For instance, the “Ganking VS Anti-Ganking” debate existe in every single game where ganking is possible in terms of game mechanics. And in this debate, you always found the same profil of players on both side, using the exact same arguments since almost fifteen years.
As someone who as been part of those debates, noticeably in WoW where I’ve spent a decade arguing against any attempt to forbid Ganking in this specific game, I pretty much entered the “battle” here as a continuation to the exact same debate I was having elsewhere already.
As far as I remember, I only ever argued about the general idea of CODE. and what I believe they represent, I didn’t step into conversations about very specific case which would, indeed, require specific knowledge and much more details about the case.
My statement that a solo player would never have any kind of real impact on EvE, and that the only thing that really mattered was to control the map with something that can be seen in game, like the Null SOV system.
CODE. , well at least the ones who answered me there, were definitelly not on the same page.
By the way this thread is also an example of me changing my original belief after someone did properly argue and explain where I was wrong.
Well, if you want an other example: I’m completelly opposed to multiboxing and believe this should not be allowed in any kind of MMORPG, as it is abnormal and balance-breaking to let a single player have the power to do what a group of player should normally be required to do at a specific moment.
I’m pretty sure that this statement could lead to an open war if I had to discuss this with some CODE. members in a thread 
Yeah, I remember that.
I think I (maybe wrongly) understood that you were pretending that “Null Sec is much safer than High Sec on top of generating more ISK”, and therefore I answered you “Then just go to Null Sec” ?
Such as?
I don’t remember using any kind of terminology that was supposedly hard to pick-up.
I haven’t yet, I will.
This is well out of subject but I am also limited in what I can do because I’m studying in a stranger country until June of this year. Which mean bad connexion, bad computer, random free-time. So until June, I kind of limit myself to a mostly secure situation, and use my time to learn the rope and developp a skill-plan.
Yeah, it definitelly sound like a veeeery bad way to progress, if you were going to only do that.
@Overmind_Niminen it’s time!
I’ve been trying to figure out if Ward is so desperate for attention that she sends private messages to Overmind in a public forum, or… well, there isn’t any other explanation.
Once again, I appear to have miscommunicated. What I meant was that you guys act like James 315 is the supreme authority of highsec, and all other powers are secondary to him. To me, this comes across as saying “We’re in charge here, what we say goes.”
That’s what I meant when I said CODE. acts like they run things in highsec. Sorry for not being clear enough the first time.
This right here is what I’m talking about. What’s the appeal of this particular persona as opposed to, say, a suave Godfather-style wiseguy?
If we’re talking from an IRL perspective then you’re half right, but it’s not like CODE. has any authority, either.
Suppose that everyone at CCP went completely guano de murcielago insane, deleted the CODE. alliance and its member corporations, then permabanned everyone who had been a member. I’ve no doubt that hundreds, maybe even thousands of players would be screaming in righteous fury on every every board and forum that EvE players frequent about such a ridiculously unreasonable action.
But that doesn’t change the fact that if CCP stood by that decision and to hell with the consequences, there is literally nothing that you, or James, or any other player could do that would force them to reverse their actions. You have no authority over them, and pretending otherwise is quite clearly just another form of roleplaying.
This is why I’m asking folks like Karak, Xeux, Runa, and yourself what the appeal is in the holier-than-thou persona you guys adopt. I’m not trying to be judgmental or engage in any “gotcha!” questioning, I’m just curious.
Condering how much anger they get from other players, I’d say they’ve been very relevant.
Way to put it better than I could.
Well, if the game mechanics shifted to the point where gankers like yourself have to practically jump through hoops to accomplish what you want to do while the miners, traders, and anti-gankers find it ridiculously easy to accomplish their goals, then I’d say lobbying for CCP to change things in your favor is the right thing to do.
You say that you prefer to solve your problems by playing the game instead of posting about it on the forums or Reddit, but there’s no cosmic rule saying you can’t do both. As much as it can seem like complaints are counterproductive and whiny or never accomplish anything, if no one complained then CCP would have a much harder time figuring out what parts of the game need fixing. Just because some people complain too much or about silly things doesn’t mean that all complaints are bad.
Since piracy and ganking are supposed to be viable gameplay options, then I believe it’s right and proper that gankers lobby CCP for changes if and when they start making things too difficult for you guys to play how you want. The last thing this game needs is for CCP to stuff their head so far up their ass they decide players only need a sense of pride and accomplishment as a reward for successfully pulling a gank.
Ohhhh…I think I’ve been assuming that you were all like Aiko.
It’s way too late for that, man; I overthink everything! 
Welcome to the internet, where an average user possesses the attention span of a gnat. 
[flings arms upward]
At last, a kindred spirit!
Closer to twenty-five years, really; Ultima Online launched in 1997.
Mind games?
That’s right.