I WAS A CODE. SPACE BULLY

[Xeux]

@Valiran_Teleros

Well, if the game mechanics shifted to the point where gankers like yourself have to practically jump through hoops to accomplish what you want to do…

People don’t believe this, but ganking is the most detail oriented high-pressure activity I have found in Eve. Roaming lowsec in a blob is fun, but you can be pretty sloppy and still blow up a Moa on the undock. Organized large-fleet ops are probably on par with mining for boredom.

Because of the Concord mechanics, there are lots of things that need to be done in a certain order on a certain timeline in order to pull off a highsec gank. If you skip an of the steps you will fail the gank. There is also a lot of personal judgment about what you can succeed at ganking and what will fail.

Gankers already have to jump through a lot of hoops. What our detractors always overlook is that the detail-oriented solutions to all of the game mechanics stacked against us is at least some of the appeal. We do not fly around in 100 ship catalyst fleets ganking anything that shows up on the overview.

[Valiran_Teleros]

@Xeux

People don’t believe this, but ganking is the most detail oriented high-pressure activity I have found in Eve.

I can believe that. I’m not so sure if it’s really #1 on the list, but just thinking about what needs to be done in order to successfully pull off a gank was enough to convince me that it’s definitely up there.

Also, I just realized something. Aiko’s behavior seemed a little familiar to me for a while now, like I had seen the same thing before in a different setting.

I couldn’t quite remember where until it clicked just a few minutes ago: she reminds me of those sovereign citizen lunatics we have here in the United States who like to insist that the federal governent’s authority is fictional and the highest authority they answer to is the local sheriff.

Though in all fairness, Aiko doesn’t come anywhere close to being as bad as they are. Sovereign citizens have actually murdered people; to my knowledge the worst she’s ever done is shitpost on these forums, which automatically makes her a better person than any of them.

[Xeux]

I have never tried Faction Warfare or any of the other “respectable” solo-PVP activities. I am sure a duel between Navy Slicers is more intense than ganking a Mackinaw. But keep in mind, I have to finish that Mackinaw off in about 13 seconds.

[Valiran_Teleros]

That definitely sounds like it will get your blood pumping.

Edit: I finally came across an article on minerbumping that got me laughing out loud.

Ares refused to purchase a mining permit; that much was obvious. Less clear were the miner’s intentions for Best’s organs.

Our Agent was reluctant to hand over his organs. After all, Ares had a habit of losing stuff.

Emphasis mine. It was the perfect comeback to this guy’s lunacy.

[Australian_Excellence]

@Valiran_Teleros

What I meant was that you guys act like James 315 is the supreme authority of highsec

Because he is. He was democratically elected by the denizens of highsec into his role and has taken control of every aspect of life there. He has really turned highsec around and made it a much better place.

@Valiran_Teleros

and all other powers are secondary to him

Yes, highsec is CODE. sov. We dictate what happens in it

[Aiko_Danuja]

James 315 is King!

[Valiran_Teleros]

I see the likes you’re handing out, @Pix_Severus. This thread is giving you some quality entertainment, I take it?

[Karak_Terrel]

@Valiran_Teleros

You say that you prefer to solve your problems by playing the game instead of posting about it on the forums or Reddit, but there’s no cosmic rule saying you can’t do both.

No, but I consider it a form of cheating to meta game the developers to change the game so you have your particular activity benefiting from it on the cost of others activities being made impossible or more tedious (because that is almost always the case). What I do instead is oppose the constant push of carebears to make the game more save in the hopes that we can preserve the things I like as long as possible so I have still fun playing the game.

I have nothing against additions or overhauls of game features if they keep the spirit of the game. But CCP is delivering nothing of that lately or just crippling game play for dubious reasons with zero positive effect in the end (wardecs as an example). The game is truly in maintenance mode now. That would not necessarily be a bad thing if the state it is in wasn’t so boring.

[Dracvlad]

@Valiran_Teleros

Please post the list of these buffs. I’d like to form my own opinions on the subject rather than just taking your word for it.

I think it better if you find out yourself, but I will give you one important one:

The removal of the -25% ROF on destroyers

@Valiran_Teleros

Well, if the game mechanics shifted to the point where gankers like yourself have to practically jump through hoops to accomplish what you want to do while the miners, traders, and anti-gankers find it ridiculously easy to accomplish their goals, then I’d say lobbying for CCP to change things in your favor is the right thing to do.

Seriously, you obviously have not tried AG play then. AG most definitely do not find it ridiculously easy to accomplish their goals. Lucas Kell has tried it from both ends and he points out that AG is way harder than ganking. You have to work it out for yourself, but I don’t think you will at this point. You seem to have made your decision based on who appeals to you more on the forums.

[Tintallei_Sharan]

Hi dude.

I don’t have your reply from my last post yet, but tonight something happend that makes me want to poke you.

As I said, I supposed one of my friend would most likely like CODE., just like me.

Well, yersterday night, he decided to go to sleep while letting his Venture mine, as probably many players have tried.

Turns out that, first of all, during his very first time of AFK mining, he did get killed by a CODE. player and did receive a message about having to buy a permit.

So, first of all, I found it kinda ironic for it to happen the very first time he try it, despite your claims that basically CODE. aren’t very visible today outside of the forum.

Then, of course, he showed me the mail, and was like “Illegal stuff in high sec? What the hell are they talking about?”.

I started to laugh of course, talked about them to him, and gave him the link to minerbumping.

Turns out he literally feel super hyped about this whole situation.

'he. Was predictable, but even I didn’t think it would happen so fast.

Honnestly, I laughed a lot, especially because it happen less than 24 hours after we talked about it.

Tho… He still refuse to pay the 10M. Let’s see what follow, I guess.

(Btw: The other friend I though would probably not keep playing haven’t reconnected since saturday. Sadly I might have been just as right for him.)

[Dracvlad]

I think you misunderstand the point Lucas is trying to make here, though I have not read your full exchange. They are irrelevant because they only really affect that new guy in a Venture or a Retriever.

As for your friends reaction, I can understand the buzz he has, part of that excitement is the feel of going off after the gits who blew his ship up, until you find that there is absolutely no value or impact to the ganker in doing so. Which is really more of the issue in terms of player retention than being blown up imo at least.

[Tintallei_Sharan]

@Dracvlad

They are irrelevant because they only really affect that new guy in a Venture or a Retriever.

Their “kill of the week” session seems to prove that they can target bigger things, but I have no clue about how frequent this kind of kills are. All I know is that they at least do exist ^^

@Dracvlad

As for your friends reaction, I can understand the buzz he has, part of that excitement is the feel of going off after the gits who blew his ship up

He almost wrote this word for word, indeed!

@Dracvlad

until you find that there is absolutely no value or impact to the ganker in doing so. Which is really more of the issue in terms of player retention than being blown up imo at least.

To be honnest, yes, thinking about the subject did sometimes lead me to the conclusion that I can’t really think about something impactful anybody could do to avenge himself, if they happen to attack players who want to fight back instead of crying.

[Dracvlad]

@Tintallei_Sharan

To be honnest, yes, thinking about the subject did sometimes lead me to the conclusion that I can’t really think about something impactful anybody could do to, if they happen to attack players who want to fight back instead of crying.

For me this has been the key issue, there is no way to apply meaingful consequences to the person that ganked you. Trying to identify their mains and linked characters is often impossible. It is why after a small amount of time you realise that it is pretty much no consequence zero sum game and after that you just find it tedious. That is how most Eve players see it. I hope your friend enjoys it, but he might soon realise quite quickly that there is no fun in it.

I wish him luck.

[Tintallei_Sharan]

@Lucas_Kell

Kahiego Eihwaz?

Exactly.

Or simply “Kahiego” on most other games/medias ^^

@Lucas_Kell

My point is that they aren’t particularly relevant and that they aren’t the broad force they claim to be. Outside a handful of areas that have regular code pilots living there you won’t see them and the bulk of their kills are like that, newbies in ventures or similar.

Well, of course, It seems to me like exagerating what they are and the power they have is entirely part of the concept. It’s obvious to anyone with eyes and a functionnal brain that they do not actually control High-sec, I think pushing it to the extreme on the rhetoric part is just… You know, part of being an agent.

The extreme they give in their propaganda is not true, but the opposite extreme of basically considering them non-existent is not either.

@Lucas_Kell

Should I be laughing at the hundreds of miners I’ve seen since then mining in badly tanked barges and frigates that haven’t been ganked?

I said that in the sense that it is funny to see this happen to him specifically just a few hours after our conversation, rather than the gank of a venture being anything hilarious by itself ^^

@Lucas_Kell

All you’ve really proven here is that CODE do indeed gank newbies in ventures from time to time, so thanks for supporting my point I suppose.

I wasn’t trying to proove anything, not right now, and well yes they do gank newbies in ventures, I think they never denied it themself.

What they do deny (and on that I do defend them sometimes) is the idea that they ONLY do that.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Dracvlad

Lucas Kell

is an idiot. It is known.

[Lucas_Kell]

(O_o)

[Karak_Terrel]

@Dracvlad

there is no way to apply meaingful consequences to the person that ganked you. Trying to identify their mains and linked characters is often impossible.

This is my main and I scout and loot with this char when I gank. I present many opportunities to come back at me and inflict some “consequences”. Most just cry though.

[Aiko_Danuja]

Also, CONCORD blows up the gank ship, regardless of whether the gank succeeds - so if you are getting killed easily by a ship that isn’t of consequence, then YOU are doing something wrong. Don’t blame the ganker for your own incompetence.

There’s a reason people in CODE aren’t flying around in Covetors and Hulks.

HINT: If it doesn’t work in highsec, it’s not gonna work anywhere else either.

[Tintallei_Sharan]

@Lucas_Kell

Sure, but the implication in your post is that it proves a point about their activity.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying that it “proves” it, but it did give me the sensation that they are.

Then again yeah having a friend ganked “very quickly” might be just (bad?) luck rather than a proof.

@Lucas_Kell

What time did he leave it by the way? I’m getting a European vibe from you, so assuming he was the same and he wasn’t up until silly o’clock in the morning, it took a while for him to get ganked.

We are Frenchs.

As far as I can tell with the Discord messages, he was AFK between 02:00 and 11:00 in our local time.

@Lucas_Kell

For the most part that is what they do though. Sure, there’s a couple of people who don’t and who gank larger targets,

Well, that’s possible. I didn’t spend enough time analyzing their kill board to determine what is “the most part” of their kill, as long as they agree thay they do target big things sometimes, it will be enough for me

[Dravick_Afterthought]

@Lucas_Kell

Please refrain from further harassment.

Aiko - Please keep it up, I find it most amusing.