On Topic…
You wanted to tell us If and what Orca changes you are expecting and why.
slash curious
Reading back through Xuixien’s posts, the very first one has a suggestion.
My reading is Xuixien doesn’t like the AFK possibilities of the Orca and would rather see it become more actively flown when mining.
The suggestion, if I’m reading it right is:
- provide the Orca with an AOE panic button
- remove mining capabilities
Basically, keep the boosting and hauling capabilities; and boost it’s ability to help defend others in a fleet (beyond the existing shield command burst bonus) by providing a module that needs attention to be able to activate; giving a significant boost to other mining vessels in fleet. Essentially increase it’s existing command ship roles, while removing it’s mining capabilities.
I could be wrong, but that seems like the general idea.
The thing is, the “remove mining capabilities” actually increase the AFK by making the orca completely AFK ship.
So this actually would force the orca to be played AFK.
so if that’s what he asks for, then no he is definitely not against the AFK orca, on the opposite.
Yeah, i read that.
He wasn’t that happy when i made a suggestion to cut those AFK possibilities. Basically him arguing against his own dislike.
And my point on 2. was: the Orcas HiSec mining capabilities are already low. Instead of nerfing the Orca, a buff of boosts/barges/exhumer would be more common sense.
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I don’t believe anyone was making that statement though? (Ok Anderson might have but we don’t really count their arguments do we?)
Xuixien started arguing against it at some point but I never saw it made as a claim? Since it’s pretty clear the Orca doesn’t have more APM when it comes to just it’s mining aspect. (Obviously if you include a full Exhumer mining operation and tractor beams it can).
Anyway, as your testing showed, Orca doesn’t have large AFK ability anymore, and if you changed it from 5 drones to 1 super drone it would reduce that ability even further to the point it becomes basically non-existent in the current asteroid environments.
Which doesn’t change the AFK nature of an Orca, it just means you are saying ‘Sorry, no Orca mains’
Since an orca could no longer mine on it’s own, the AFK nature of the Orca would be replace by the need to be more actively mining with other ships.
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You’re on the right track with my thinking.
TBH, the Orca will prove very hard to fix (while maintaining it as an active on-grid ship) until mining in it’s entirety is reworked.
Here’s a kind of short story/fantasy vision I wrote down to give a general idea of the direction I’d like to see mining taken. The Orca’s in the story have clear active roles that they have to be engaged in which don’t include any mining - namely, they are actively involved in repairing the barges and keeping their capacitors full. This is just a daydream to offer food for thought and creative energy. Not meant to be a cogent list of balance passes for detailed scrutiny.
How is having the same yield/hr as a solo T2 mining ship “low”…?
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Yield =/= ISK
And if the T2 Yield is only the same, the T2 needs a Buff. Not the orca a nerf.
But you are wrong. An orca would BECOME a full AFK ship.
That’s exactly why CCP added the drones : to make the orca a non-AFK ship.
What you want, is actually to make the orca an AFK ship. And actually punish active players.
So you are wrong, the AFK would be enforced.
So your goal is not to make the orca non AFK. It’s actually to remove the orca from mining ops, by making it 100% AFK.
Who cares?
An Orca’s yield is not an issue if it roughly equals a solo skiff.
You need to make your mind up what you are upset about here.
Are you
A) Mad that Orca’s can AFK mine.
B) Mad that Orca’s can mine at all.
Because you keep saying it’s A, but you keep including stuff that sounds like it is B.
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I don’t think he want’s to get rid of the Drones:
Really? I thought it was because the community requested it:
The third pillar is the biggest change from the existing mining foreman gameplay, and the #1 request we’ve been hearing from the community on this topic over the past few years. All mining foreman ships should have their own mining ability to allow them to contribute directly to the results of their mining operation, and give them productive gameplay in between their other tasks.
Was that a serious comment?
So you want to hurt the entire EVE economy for your own playstyle? Um yeah. I think we can just disregard whatever you have to say from this point.
And ? Its not mutually exclusive.
From your own quote :
All mining foreman ships should have their own mining ability to allow them to contribute directly to the results of their mining operation, and give them productive gameplay in between their other tasks.
So yes, to make them contribute directly to the mining operation. Because BEFORE it had drones, it was an AFK ship.
fixed that for you!
It’s obvious and easy to understand that adjustments are still in the making.
Changes are still coming in the next Phase.
Ah, I see you make it a habit to fix what isn’t broken.
Do you have any idea what’s happening in EVE at the moment, and what’s been happening in the game for the past 5 years, or…?
Nor necessarily true.
Nothing CCP have written suggests
There’s nothing “exactly” about it. In their own words, they added them because of the amount of community request.
It’s a perfectly fine reason in my view, but not “exactly” to make the orca a non-AFK ship as CCP’s goal.
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That’s your job by pretending the Orca needs a “fix”.
Absolutely. That’s why we have a drough Phase at the Moment and a redistribution Phase at a later Point.
You should read that up in the Dev. Blogs. Very interesting Stuff.
Makes no sense to give it drones to “make it less AFK”, as, historically, drones have been the primary means of AFK gameplay. Just. What a complete lack of understanding of the game and it’s history.
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That’s cute.
You do realize CCP agrees, right?
Now, your own projection and deflection of my comment back at me aside, I think you should follow your own advice, because we are currently in both the scarcity and redistribution phase. And the reason we’re in this phase is because of the inflated stockpiles of both ISK and material assets (in particular: minerals) in the game. So buffing the yields of all mining ships would be working at cross-purposes towards that end. And this is your suggestion, because you selfishly want to maintain your AFK, low-attention Orca mining.
SMDH. You barely have any right to speak on this subject TBH.