Interesting Info on account login data cession - EU Court of Justice Ruling : Oracle vs UsedSoft

Yes, a driver’s license only is an intellectual right that gives the bearer the license to drive.
It’s not a Certificate, compared to say, a Forklift Certificate, which is not a license.
You are right about that.

The law does not use broad terms for this type of contracts.
It could lead to death by accident of drones driven cars.

Let say you bought a book, or the rights to own a copy of the book, and you can’t sell it.
This would be a book published for sale for other purpose than resale, such as , for promotion purposes.

Good for them. I’m sure there will be legal records of it.
Like, if someone robbed me of my work, and I was wrongfully accused of robbery, and they dismissed the case, there would be records of it.
I’m sure Oracle and UsedSoft can appeal it and that the case is over (for that level).

Yes, that may very well be, in that case.
There are conditions which makes it.
Reselling of books is normally and usually legal, in most of the case, unless the book is stolen or other.
Fashion also is not protected by intellectual rights, or intellectual property rights and legislation, except in certain cases.
Accounts ownership, hence, the system owner, are attributed as attribution of an account to a client.
When that attribution changes, the rights and data attributed to it, and indexed to it, change.
It can be moved to a parent entity, such as a preferred stock holder, or, to another party.
The transfer number 1 from 0 can be incremented.

It’s also normally wise to follow logic for in case they become too much against logic and try to pass as logic.
Of course there are exception where trying to do so could be illegal, and it would be better not to try to follow them of their logic.

I don’t know the case,
but I could not give an informed decision without analysis of it, and, that, even if without study, which is often used for research.
(Study is often used for research, but studies are not always used for research. Certain research is conducted by lawyers who are not student…)

You can sell a software license just fine.

Um… What are you on? A driver’s license is in effect a certification that you know how to properly operate a motor vehicle.

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No, oh.!

What you pay, when you pay to get a license, and the right to use a license, and the right to install the licensed software, which licensed software means that the author and creator of the software, or software company, keeps the intellectual property right of the creation of the software , which you cannot sell or transfer to another party, is that:

The cost of distribution, the cost of registering the use of the licensed software, which is not free, and so on.

A forklift certificate is a certification that you know how to properly operate a forklift motor vehicle.
A driver’s license is a license that allows you to drive a motor vehicle.
If you fail to properly operate it, after being tested, it can be your own fault, and the fines for it are not the same than if you kill someone with a forklift for $5,000.

Are you a doctor?

You can’t get a driver’s license for a forklift.
This I found out from an ex-Search and Rescue army professional who now works for a security company organized by the same company he trained me for 4 types of forklifts and gave me my forklift certificate.
My father also worked for the ministry of transport and had all licenses except for taxicab, including, bus, trucks, motorcycles, and so on.

Yes you can resell that right to use the software. A software license is not bound to a person and I don’t need any intellectual property rights on the software to resell the license. What you can and not can do with a license is regulated by the law and not by a bad analogy with a “drivers license” and the law clearly gives you the right to resell a license for a software.

right, 2 different things.

Not even the government sells licenses.
It’s just not how the law works.

The point is , to sell license is illegal.
It is an intellectual property and intellectual right related transaction.

The license law by definition makes it illegal to sell it.
You pay for license but not to buy it.
Those rights are always with the issuers.

Those fees go to protect it against thefts and illegal use.
Sell me a license to steal the law.

You get a doctor license, you don’t sell it nor buy it.
You lose it if you give meds to someone by abuse.
Each license has their own clauses.
None are sold.

Also, if doctors try to abuse my family, it’s my responsibility to protect them, not the law from which the abuse is supported.
In other words, the first system that sells those doctors license would be where I would have to keep off from and protect them from.

I can pay you for software, to own the right to license it to others, however, I can’t buy a license for it.
I can pay you to use a license of your software instead of buying the software.
If you work as a programmer, you can sell the software to a company by employment contract.

I design, analyse, program software, which are computer program, and can be designed to work as other forms of programs than computer program software, offline for instance.
I can license their use, not sell the license.
To license software allows company to keep the rights, and to get money for their use.
Like me.
If you try to deny me my right and justify it, whether it makes me unable to feed my family until I’m old, it’s illegal.
Then that would make me unable to associate with your law.

I also happened to have invested and paid $17,000 for it in 1990 and 1992, and over $200,000 after.
This include military systems associated with my name.

LOL - my government sells licenses, for example to kill certains number of animals in hunting season. Hell, I even asked how can I obtain a weapon dealers license - also no problem, pay a fee, take a course , pass it et voila - you a licensed arms dealer.

You can obtain a license from a private company to produce arms - china´s ak-47 or print books and so on.

Thats the same. Use means to do anything with a thing you obtained ( unless its an animal - animal rights to prevent animal abuse ). Dota , CS GO and so on were only possible because of that. Dota as a mod from Warcraft 3, CS as a mod from Half Life and so on.

Granted , it sounds like it, and they can sometimes do it illegally, but license to hunt animals are related to other costs than to sell the license, let alone , sell the right to kill.

Pay a fee sounds perfectly legal, and it is. Voilà indeed.
Print books to get a license without having the right to sell it?
Hmm, I really wonder in which place on earth they would distribute that?

As for license the use of a program and sell a license being the same, you can see very well that it would lead to unclear details in transactions.
The use of the software is detailed to prevent unclear transaction , confusion, and other facts which the artificial intelligence is for.
Use means to do what is specified in the license to use for , as it’s described.
If you say it’s to do anything, it can be interpreted as a counter-offer to the transaction for the fee, for the license usage description.
Like, I make a program , license it, and you don’t follow the use it’s licensed for.
I can take you to court, and perhaps I am.

If I use your license to buy it from you illegally, there’s nothing you can do, even if it’s illegal.
Mind you , I would laugh all the way to the bank , and sell the information to a legal party.

Basic point - Iceland isn’t in the EU

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Also, my uncle used to be a forest guard for over 20 years and gave me a good part of his inheritance.
The dentist on my street used to pay $2,000 a year to kill a moose and put its head on his truck, parked down the road, right on the corner, so everyone could see.
It was also my own dentist, his son worked on a tobacco farm own by my uncle.

They sell license to sell tobacco, however, you can’t buy the license unless you meet other requirements.
In fact, the money doesn’t go to sell the license, it goes to verify those facts.
My uncle stopped growing tobacco, and his farm was worth over a million.
They now grow potatoes and sell them to the farmer’s market, as for the other farmer’s market run by the tobacco manufacturers.
They were fined for the largest fine in history.
However, it equals to a small amount per person.

4 other of my families (more distant relatives) who used to grow tobacco with farms worth over 1 million each (that’s pretty much the minimum worth) also don’t anymore, except maybe for 1, although he may not.

Selling may require you a license, but not sell it.

O. Reg. 664/98: FISH LICENSING - Ontario.ca

Consolidation Period: From January 1, 2018 to the e- Laws currency date. … BUYING OR SELLING FISH, FROGS AND LEECHES AND RELATED LICENCES … Note: On November 23, 2018, the definition of “e- licence ” in section 1 of the …

Liquor Licence Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19 - Ontario.ca

Consolidation Period: From December 12, 2017 to the e- Laws currency date. … “supply” includes a licensee’s permitting the consumption on licensed premises of wine that … 6 (1) A person may apply to the Registrar for a licence to sell liquor.

You can now get a license to sell marijuana in Canada starting next week, and if you want to be on it, you won’t need a license anymore, as long as you don’t buy more license than they let you get away with.

Something’s fishy around here…

Selling in eBay Requires a Business License

https://www.thebalancesmb.com › Industries › eBay › Tips

May 2, 2018 - It is important to educate yourself on business license laws in your county, city, or town. Ignoring business license requirements can lead to …

Edit:
À la hence the license?

Iceland is in EEA and EFTA - European free trade association - which fall under EUJ - European Union Justice Court jurisdiction regulating business and consumer right in EU if a company based in Iceland is doing business in EU.

“e-licence” means a component of a sport fishing licence that is obtained by the holder through the Ministry website;

Note: On November 23, 2018, the definition of “e-licence” in section 1 of the Regulation is revoked. (See: O. Reg. 545/17, s. 2 (1))

No it isn’t. If I buy a movie DVD I actually buy a license to the movie and a disk with a physical copy. The same goes for a game. If you buy a game DVD you buy a license for the game and a physical copy. It is completely fine to sell that game or movie or software license to another person. There are whole businesses around reselling games, movies and software.

Now obviously the owner of the intellectual property would rather prevent you from selling your copy so they can sell more licenses so they invented DRM and CD Keys and online activation and what not to undermine the right of you to resell the license. And now with digital distribution there is a whole host of new issues and they tried to argue that if you resell a license of a software with a physical copy of a program they distributed digitally that you commit copyright infringement. But as you can see from the law text that is not the case. Even if they distribute it digitally you are still free to resell that license.

  1. No it isn’t.
    You like to argue against me, no matter what.
    It doesn’t matter what damage you do, you wouldn’t make up for it.

  2. If I buy a movie DVD I actually buy a license to the movie and a disk with a physical copy.
    If you buy a movie DVD, you get the movie DVD. You don’t get the license to the movie, and a disk with a physical copy on it.
    You get a license to use the DVD with specific ways described to use the license, and what can happen if you don’t.
    You get the DVD disk, or DVD disc, with a physical copy of the software movie and audio tracks synchronized and sequentially linked to it.
    Licenses are not sold.
    Licenses to train people to license others are not sold.
    My forklift instruction (from the army Search and Rescue, oh the irony, if I could sell Eau de Iron-e, I would make a killing even if I didn’t get a license and I bought it instead) was licensed to operate his forklift school, licensed, but not sold.
    It’s like shaken , not stirred from James Bond Martinis.
    You can be shaken to get the truth, yet, you will have been stirring the problems.

  3. The same goes for a game.
    I can make a game and sell you the license.
    If you get shot by my military partner, it’s either,
    A. legal.
    B. an accident.
    C. both.
    D. paying me.

  4. If you buy a game DVD you buy a license for the game and a physical copy.
    If you buy a game DVD is states on it the game is not sold, licensed.
    It states that it is not sold, that it is licensed.
    Why do you make me write the whole thing when it’s easy to understand without it?
    You don’t buy the license.

  5. It is completely fine to sell that game or movie or software license to another person.
    Says you, so should I use it as a weapon, the same weapon you are making for me.

  6. There are whole businesses around reselling games, movies and software.
    Yes, you can also sell companies, and games, and patents.
    My 102 years old grand-mother’s father Jacques sold an airplane patent with a Savoie before Einstein worked in the patent office.
    You can sell games, and you can sell things.
    You can also get a license to sell.
    You can’t buy a license to sell.
    It would defeat the purpose.
    I will sell you a license to keep making the same mistake for eternity, and then for a second eternity.
    Thank you, please come again.

  7. Now obviously the owner of the intellectual property would rather prevent you from selling your copy so they can sell more licenses so they invented DRM and CD Keys and online activation and what not to undermine the right of you to resell the license.
    The owner would rather prevent me from selling my copy so they can sell more licenses, so they make me sell mine, so they sell more, by creating a market.
    Like a market to sell license to sell license, to sell license and to sell all the licenses you sell.
    Do you sell Hell’s Angels license?
    I bet you do.

  8. And now with digital distribution there is a whole host of new issues and they tried to argue that if you resell a license of a software with a physical copy of a program they distributed digitally that you commit copyright infringement.
    You can transfer the rights of a software, not sell or resell the license.
    How can you resell something that could not have been legally sold to begin with.
    Do you run an arms bazaar?
    I’m interested.

  9. But as you can see from the law text that is not the case.
    As I can see from the law text, that is not the case.
    The law text explain why you can’t sell a license and why you argue that you can.

  10. Even if they distribute it digitally you are still free to resell that license.
    No.
    You can get a license to distribute it.
    You can get a license to run the EVE Online client in a store, with multiple computers, not buy the license.
    If you do, they can bust you.

If you want the text of the law, keep attacking my business, and you may find it in the worst place.
Why don’t you sell me a marriage license so I can use it against you?
It would be like running gay laws in a Jerusalem theological court of the 3.

When I go to the store to sell them my games, I don’t sell them the license.
All they get is the used game, manuals, everything else, the game systems, sometimes, which I sell with it.
The license remains the property of the company issuing it, or the law for it, the jurisdiction of the government issuing the license law.
They don’t make license for military treaty, which , if you violate, is not violating or selling a license, except when you sell the license as a weapon to violate the treaty.

Government made laws for licenses, and it is because of the reason that it helps programmers to protect their rights.
Why would programmer need to protect their rights?
Why steal from them?
What if programs were better to steal?
What kind of law would protect them.
Would a license law protect them?
What if someone tried to circumvent license law?
How could they be detected?
What if they try to sell license?

Government laws.
Government make laws, and CCP makes rules for forums, and guidelines.
They control the license law and decide how they work, and how they give them, to who, and how, and why.
They control how programmer like me give license, and can make rules to use those license.
They also have laws to deal with those abusing them.

For instance, if you abuse license, you can’t license.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t understand or do understand.
You simply won’t be allowed.
If I conspire with you, and sell license, I can lose my right to license my software which I work on for 35 years.
I would forfeit my rights and abuse the law.

When you sell a game a movie or a software as a customer product you sell a license for that product. Maybe that isn’t the case on your planet, but it is certainly the case here and you are in your right to resell that license no matter if the copy of the product was physical or digital, that is what the op is all about.

You can say whatever you want about others, but keep me and my family out of it.
We will need the security generating by not associating with you to protect our work, rights, and lives, as well as National security.

I’d rather be at war against you than to lie about what you do.

WTH are you on dude

I’m not on anything, what about you?
You sound like if you’re trying to abuse me and trying to get me onto something.
It would force me to resort to even more efforts to protect myself against your lies.

Even your name is phony.

Ok, this is getting a bit creepy. How about I just report your posts and let CCP sort them out. It seems like you are incapable of a normal conversation without going completely crazy.