I can sell information in relation to login data I may generate with proper ethics and respect in regards to profit and relation.
You can transfer rights following the Character Bazaar rules.
You’re crazy!
You’re also wasting my time and trying to make me look crazy, and , you don’t have any proof of the regulation or rules you are referring to.
I also happen to do this for 35 years as professional.
Ok, if you say so.
@CCP_Falcon I really tried to have a normal discussion here but this is starting to get weird even for EVE standards. Maybe someone can take a look?
I was busy with other thing and you just caused the scheduled to be delayed 1 day with your constant harassment.
I’m sure everyone knows.
You’re also trying to get me in problem.
You are also deluding yourself from the truth and keep trying to make false excuses and to even suggest that I do the same , which would be criminal and make me lose my licenses.
Did you know that I can be charged for associating with someone who is trying to sell licenses and lie it’s legal to do so?
I would of course hold you liable, and use my work as proof.
To undermine the right to resell the license you say.
1st you misrepresent a product and service.
2nd, you mislead other into errors, which would cause them to take action based on misleading information.
3rd, you try to interfere against proven scientific evidence to the contrary.
4th, you try to make me seem as unable to have a normal conversation,
5th you try to make me seem as completely crazy
6th, I better get my family somewhere safe and with another government for until we can secure our life back with the first place you attacked us from.
7th what would stop you from selling license to attack us then?
8th, why don’t you just start to sell software weapons license?
it would be perfectly legal, no matter what piracy.
https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veine_Miromme is probably trolling here. Cant imagine a sane person talking like that. No offense.
Back to the topic - If its legal to sell a Netflix account it would seem to be legal to sell an EVE Online account too.
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I don’t troll, but you sure are attacking me.
You are offending indeed, and you are accusing me of being offensive when I didn’t commit an offense.
You can transfer rights, call a sell of product for other things it is, but you can’t sell an EVE Online account.
Just the way you say that and try to discredit me proves you wrong.
You just did it to yourself.
You can transfer a pilot from an EVE Online account to another player following the rules of the Character Bazaar subforum rules.
They are under the EVE Online Marketplace forum.
Considering if you search for Netflix accounts you find pages of obvious hacker/black market sites and no ebay type sites… I’m pretty sure it’s illegal, and against netflix regulations also.
And the case mentioned doesn’t apply to Netflix accounts. 1. They specifically exclude online accounts. 2. Netflix accounts (& also EVE) are not unlimited and therefore also beyond the scope of the judgement. Which was dealing with a permanent licence associated with a physical item. Not a temporary licence for access to a service.
I don’t know about Netflix and didn’t verify.
If a vocational school advertised in the US employment after completion, and they didn’t deliver, they would lose the case in court.
The school had licenses, but they failed to sell the license to the student.
Not.
They didn’t license the employment, and something that would work, but they failed to fulfilled their offer.
It was part of the contract when the student paid.
They didn’t pay for employment, they didn’t pay for license.
Misleading advertisement and offer.
Failing to fulfill their part of the contract.
It’s like if someone tries to hold me liable of wrongdoing when I refer to someone else’s action, or that I refer to how they try to make me seem wrong, and lie about me.
Not only do they interfere against my communication, even if they don’t say I can’t have a normal conversation (in a license and software license thread, directly related to my professional trade with 35 years of work, work I use to design, including design laws and rules and punishment for deterrence) , but they also lie.
The rest of the world is not Canada. Canadian law means squat to anyone outside of Canada. I live in the U.S. for example, guess what? My government sells licenses. Not just “fees around the license”, you pay for the license itself. Just stop already.
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Honestly why do you think that law extends to online accounts? I don’t really think it does and I don’t see where you read this in the text. A software license is not the same thing as an online account.
Maybe it should but as long as there is no concrete ruling the publisher of such a service will always deny the transfer of accounts because he can make more money this way. And there is no law to overrule them and force them to change their EULA.
Anyways, it’s not about the license, including the game license, and CCP licenses , it’s about you don’t want me to write .
Let others join the conversation
This topic is clearly important to you – you’ve posted more than 34% of the replies here.
Are you sure you’re providing adequate time for other people to share their points of view, too?
My reply to this is:
They have all the time they want, and I don’t have to interfere against their rights, even if they are illegally interfering against mine and trying to suggest me to misrepresent the law.
I’m not talking about Canada in specific, this is about the license system.
You can say you sell a license but yet , it is not the case.
Once the transaction is done, the fine print has all the details.
I buy online software, yet it is license, and I don’t buy it.
You can say I bought the license, and can sell it, yet it is not the case.
And I’m also in courts for this, and the European law chamber wants to know about my case.
I do because it is my work.
I’m also with the UN.
It’s not good to misinterpret opportunities for profit, when the system is restricted in its communication, which interferes profit, which profit may be limited by legislation based on false claims for damages, and attempts to use as a precedent.
It’s one thing to present an opportunity as to be a potential for profit or condition as to be an opportunity for profit.
Actual numbers do vary in facts, that is why accounting is more important than estimates for return on investment.
I know if I have a judge refusing me right for business, that I lose money, and I know the exact amounts.
I don’t have to omit the calculation even if and especially not if and when parties try to make me and suggest me to.
I also know if I get attacked and how much it costs me to protect my work, especially computer programming work.
My course was to design inventory programs with integrated evaluation, such as purchase costs, and sales amounts, with the profit balance of those 2 figures.
As long as operating costs are lower than sales amount, a positive profit can be generated.
My operating cost has always been higher.
I always had to get my income from other source.
There are causes of military competition and I have to bring such evidence in court.
People like to talk without details, and while omitting the truth which can lead to loses.
One of the video I linked mentioned about psychology being acceptable to try to steal other’s work, which is not acceptable.
If those attempts to steal would cause the end of my family I would be better to prove it otherwise die trying.
That is some crazy psychology.
I agree. But what about a steam account. It is basically a collection of software licenses you acquired. It’s probably still in Valves right to lock an account to a person since this is not covered, but what about the software?
I guess this would allow you to sell the individual games to another person, which obviously opens a whole can of worms. Those laws where not designed with a global digital market in place that would make it extremely efficient to sell “old” licenses. But in the end it would be the same as selling them back or buying a used game from gamestop.
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Yeah, Steam account is a very good one to point at as raising an interesting bunch of questions.
And probably a good place to watch as it’s a likely test bed for future movement on these laws because it’s so big as well.
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Steam aka Valve won one law suit agains The Federation of German Consumer Organisations in medium federal court in Berlin in 2014 which was rasing this issue. However many saw this as very unfair from consumer rights point of view and in contrast to the EUJ ruling. The questions remains and its presented before the Grand Chamber of European Court.
Anyone want to buy a Golden Pod Skin? lol.
This ruling could easily be interpreted as enabling trading anything we have a License for and payed for. Skins, Items, Accounts, PLEX, etc.
The issue with it being a periodic payment system is not going to bypass the ruling. That sort of thinking is a type of legal trickery, Judges throw the book at those people and see through it.
Personally I’m all for a an independent website connecting people with unused accounts, skins, items and plex with people with the money to pay for them.
For now though it’s a grey area, someone will take a case to the courts soon enough though. There is literally tens of millions in it for who ever get’s the first site up.
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Now its a black market as potential buyers and sellers are risking a permaban. A final decision will clear this issue for good.
No, right now it’s not a grey area.
It’s against the rules.
Until someone establishes it’s legal the status quo rules, and the current status quo is that it’s an illegal activity that gets all involved banned.
There is nothing unclear about it.
Does the aforementioned ruling open a potential door for a future ruling to change this. Yes. But it doesn’t suddenly make it unclear if it’s allowed to sell your account right now.
It isn’t illegal, it is just not regulated so the provider of the service can create his own rules how he wants to handle it in the EULA which you have to agree to when you use the service. If you disregard the rules it is a simple breach of contract.
But yes it may be possible that there if future ruling which may restrict the things they can do with the EULA for more customer protection.
The weird thing with digital goods and services is that they are not really compatible with a free market in my opinion, because most of them evolve into a quasi monopoly (google, facebook, windows, …). And we still haven’t figured out how to handle that other than maybe sticking to open source as a customer.
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Some license, EULA, End-User, not architect, or engineer, though the End-User maybe a power user or engineer, sometimes they have Power User license too, are for free use.
The restriction is not to pirate the software in which case legal actions can be taken.
Breach of contract exist even if you don’t start world war 3 or risk to destroy the moon or Mars by accident.
By the way, the martian moons are so small that it would practically make no damage on earth.
Are you referring to divorce?