Well, awesome replies all of you.
Many thanks!
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I know, right? When the Casino War kicked off I was actually excited. I realized āwe might loseā and that wasnāt fun. But the idea of having fleets being up pretty much whenever I plopped by posterior in front of my PC was quite exciting.
Did I have assets stranded? Sure did. What did I do? I threw them on contracts and used JCs to go up there and pimp my discounted stuff in local. Even had some nice conversations with the victors. I got lots of ISK, they got some ships and assets. We were both happy.
Heck, same thing when Goons turned off BoBās sov way back when. I could sit down and almost always find a fleet up. Even when I was at work I could read about fights and such. Now that I look back it was an awesome and fun time.
Now when ābad thingsā happen I try take it stride. Even if it is just my own personal losses I look at what I did wrong and how can I do better. Taking it personally and showing up on the forums and cryingā¦no. When people do that they should get the Nelson Muntz treatment, IMO. Of course this doesnāt mean Iām not upset when I suffer a large lossā¦but in the end I blame myself. When I lost a JF it was my fault. I inadvertently took on way too much risk and was paid out for it. An hour or so later once I calmed down I sat down and figured out: how can I reduce that risk.
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Mind sharing the KM or saying what happened? I love JF deaths!
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We were war decced, but I thought, I can get into HS with little risk. So I had my JF alt jump into LS with a HS gate. As I landed on the HS gate I thought, āOh look, some fool went AFK in his stealth bomber, if I had time Iād come back and kill it.ā But I didnāt so I jumped into HS. Didnāt stop to think, āHey he could light a covert cyno and the war dec guys could jump in and follow me into HSā¦ā which is exactly what they did. As I decloaked and aligned for station so did they and they pointed me and proceeded to kill my JF. I sat there watching it die and was pissed. As my pod ejected I warped to station and docked. I left my PC and was pissed. 8 billion ISK right down the crapper. I calmed down and realizedā¦āI was an idiot.ā So I sat there and thought, āHow can I minimize that kind of loss in the future?ā After about 20-30 minutes later I was creating a character that was never ever going to leave his noob corp and would be a dedicated JF/freighter pilot who could haul my stuff anonymously. Those guys who killed my JF totally deserved that killmail. I messed up, they capitalized on my mistakeā¦good for them, well played. Sadly I was too pissed to send them a good fightā¦I should have. If in the future I lose a similarly expensive ship being foolish I hope Iāll have the presence of mind to congratulate the players who do kill it.
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Perfect example of being involved in PvP while not in a PvP ship. Glad you learned to adapt.
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there is literally nothing you can do in this game that is not pvp.
mining? pvp, station trading? pvp, ratting? pvp, you get the idea
i hear you say āwhat if i just never undock?ā
even there we have pvp. talking in chat? pvp, ship spinning? pvp, space barbie? i ā ā ā ā you not pvp.
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Oh come on lets get to the point already.
These people want to say that EVE is not a PvP game.
Why? Because then they can say that HS should be 100% safe.
It is just another bear thread and so what I want are 2 things:
- I want to see the killmail that caused the whine
- Stuff!! Since HS will never be safe these bears should quit and give me stuff
There are no pvp free zones. There are no remotely safe zones. There is nowhere to go when your ships get blown-up. Your options are get better at pvp or quit playing. High sec roams are so common that high sec is almost less safe than null. So yeah eve is a pvp game with enough pve that people that people donāt gouge their eyes out when theyāre not in combat.
So trading is not PVP? you made trillions on npc goods?
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I would say āa human body is a fighting machineā.
Every heart beat your body makes, every breath you take is a fight to survive. Only we donāt look at it this way and we rather say āitās as easy as breathingā or āin a heart beatā, only to move on more quickly and to fight the next fight no matter how little.
Iām biting my way through an apple 
. Hmm, yumm.
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NOļ¼ EVE is not a PVP game.
Because it is a PVPPPPPPPPPPPP game !!
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If I dock, Iām safe. Same as in any themepark MMO. If I leave the station, I could be ganked by a close range catalyst. Same as if I left the safe zone in a themepark MMO.
I find it funny that pvpāers in EVE think they are so badass, when they are virtually the same lvl 60 rogues that would camp lvl 20-30 players in WoW back in the day.
But people like that sort of gameplay where they can call up a few friends, grab some baseball bats and bodyarmor, and then find someone walking home with groceries from the store and beat their faces in, and then get an ego boost for it.
Itās hilarious.
That sounds to me just like you take losses very personal. Fights in EVE are never staged and isolated balanced encounters, they are almost always completely onesided. That is part of the game and an important aspekt to understand, that if you find yourself in a fair fight in EVE, both sides ā ā ā ā ā ā up.
Try to think of EVE as a strategy game more than a space shooter and then it will make sense. The preparation, fitting, situational awareness, and tricking your enemy into thinking he has the upper hand so he commits are the real PvP skills here, not mashing a button.
If you donāt undestand that and always just see the fight only where it is completely unbalanced and then blame the game for it, you will only get fed up and completely miss the real aspekt of EVE PvP.
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Except here the low ālevelsā actually stand a chance. In WoW a ten level difference means you can one shot everybody with an aoe attack, you canāt be hurt, youāre faster, and you can fly.
In EVE, you have plenty of methods to see an attack coming and can evade it if you want, or you bring a large enough gang and kill the other player.
Personally I do not think EVE has a ganking problem, WoW does though!
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There is also a very good reason to shoot people in this game - to take their stuff and prevent them from gathering resources you want - something that doesnāt really exist in WoW. A rogue ganking low levels in WoW is just being a jerk, while in Eve it is intended that you can make a living āharvestingā unprepared and careless players.
People can be jerks in Eve too but the dynamics of an open-world, full-loot sandbox game is nothing like the WoW theme park. Itās those that show a fundamental misunderstanding of the game they are playing that are the amusing ones, not some clever pirate who relieves some clueless player of hours of their grinding and takes it for themselves.
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Precisely how I make my living (well, partially.) But yeah, another difference which makes the comparison of ganking in WoW and EVE a bit silly.
Except that even a 10 day old can gank, and a man flying a frigate can kill a battleship.
Thats like a level 1-2 player killing a level 60. This doesnt happen in WoW. Even if the Level 60 player was AFK, he still wouldnt die.
If you understand the mechanics of EVE, this argument is ridiculous.
Yeah, cause comparing real life to video games is always an apt comparison.
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No, Iāve just found many pvpers seem to take their wins very personally. lol
Is there a particular carebear satire site you learned this from? You are so unbelievably wrong about eve pvp that there is no other excuse
You have, narrow mindedly, pointed out ganking and addressed it as if it was the core of pvp. When itās notā¦ itās just strategic territory control/invading and an option to force engagements/escalations
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Whos talking about the core of pvp? Iām just talking about people that gank for their zkillboard profile. You assume a lot.