I constantly subbed three accounts since 2003 up until about three years ago and have never actively participated in pvp, only by force, I was also mostly a solo player, both go against how most believe Eve should be played. I literally made and still have trillions gained by trading and manufacturing, can’t do that while trying to pew pixels.
To make my statements a bit clearer, I own two old corps that are now ran by other people but I still take profit from so even though I mainly played Eve as a solo entity my corps helped me gain my wealth along with the help of my 9 toons.
To my knowledge there is no multiplayer game out there that is strictly PvE, hell even minecraft has ways to kill each other. Is EVE a strictly PvP game? No, there are many PvE aspects to it. That being said it seems to follow that you PvE to make money to PvP you can make money without the PvE component just as you can PvE without needing to spend it on PvP, in truth it is entirely how YOU view the way you want to play. EVE isnt a PvP game nor is it a PvP game, it is a social experiment with real consequences, view and play it how you wish.
This is not bad all. If you don’t like pew pew PVP fine. If you accept that there is pew pew PVP and by not engaging in it you are largely prey even better. Be cunning, tricky and fast to avoid pew pew PVP means that in a way you are still doing PVP. There is not a damn thing wrong making pew pew PVP more difficult. Doing so is quite within the spirit of EVE.
Folks also need to understand that if they aren’t participating in pew pew PvP, that they are still participating in non pew pew PvP. There is no such thing as traditional PvE where actions taken have no effect on other players.
Yes very much so. You are adding isk and materials into economy, diluting my own isk and asset holdings. Id really appreciate it if you’d stop doing that. Or at least stop taking offence when I respond by shooting you after your endless economic agression.
I’ve seen this ‘logic’ quite a lot since starting EVE, and having played MMOs for decades where people are quite happy to accept that there is PvE and PvP, people who cling to the myth of EVE being completely and utterly 100% PvP in every single way every single minute of every day always fascinate me.
It’s like the 100% PvP myth is some delicate fragile little crystal thing that nobody must shatter or else EVE won’t be the most special most PvP thing ever invented.
Like EVE will break if anyone admits there’s PvE in it.
Simple as that really.
I’d love to know how / why you believe things that I do that don’t affect you in any way shape or form are PvP things?
Calling me a troll is an easy opt out.
Please explain how ISK I don’t spend and materials I keep in my Hangar have a PvP affect on you …
It’s the ISK you DO spend, and the things purchased/sold on the shared market that affect us.
It’s also how those items came to be in your hanger… and where the hanger is.
Do you have a corp, and does it have an office?
Who do you pay for repairs?
Who knows what you have in your hanger?
What do you do with these materials?
Also, remember that the moment you undock, you become a potential target. One that could have been me.
Having said this, in an earlier post, I mentioned that ideally every action should affect someone else in some form. That form might be almost unnoticeable (outside of a spreadsheet), but hundreds of seemingly small actions can add up rather quickly. However it might be theoretically possible to have a character that has NO influence at all on anyone in game. I suspect it would be a lonely existence.
Oh, and propaganda is a thing in EvE.
You are participating in the fight for hearts and minds of players in this very thread.
Your written words will affect others.
In essence, you are a PVPer - Your unit is intelligence rather than a line company.
You belong here.
When you add ISK to the game you reduce the value for everyone else if only by a tiny bit. ISK in EVE is really commodity based when you get right down to it and the commodity in question is: Time. And time is our most precious resource in life. Each of us only has a finite amount of it, so if you add more ISK to the game you are reducing the value of my time. Now, that is fine in that adding ISK as the economy grows is a good thing…adding too much ISK is a bad thing and adding too little is also a bad thing.
Similarly with LP. The more LP that you get the less value my LP has.
This is all well and good and part and parcel of a robust and healthy economy. But if some players respond by wanting to shoot you, especially if you bling fit your mission ships…that’s fine too.
Please note I am not saying you should not run missions or whatever you want to do in game, but that you have an effect on others is indisputable…and others might decide to have an effect on you, including a far more direct effect like shooting you (in game) in the face.
Or as Darius Johnson put it. “We are not here to ruin the game; we are here to ruin your game.” Which is totally and 100% EVE. Granted, given when he made that statement they just had “ruined my game” I was not very receptive to it…but a few years later I can appreciate that view point…and having been aligned with Goons when another group “ruined our game” I’m much more appreciative of that view…especially because it means lots of fleets, lots of PvP and lots of fun…even if we are losing our space and some of my assets are locked in stations I can no longer access.
Whoa! You mean you totally get what eve is about and don’t make cry threads about things that other players do to you in a game that was designed in such a way!??!?!???
