Is Eve Online too toxic?

Well…let’s explain it this way…

The ONLY right tactic you have to use regarding toxic gameplay is NOT to ignore or allow it but to get RID OF IT once and for all.

And here is where CCP fails miserably…

Depends on what you define as toxic, if it’s actually toxic then sure. If it’s just types of approved gameplay you disagree with then no.

I rencently managed to convice a miner to eject from his orca and to come back in a rookie ship. Is it toxic behavior?

The miners name is: MrLongerSlong

Thats called “education”. I hope you charged money for it.

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I would say that’s an extremely toxic and misogynistic name, clearly someone we should not allow to be part of our community.

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Indeed, thats why his orca is now in my hangar!

yes Eve is toxic and always has been! What’s more problematic is the effeminacy of people who can neither discuss sensibly nor tolerate it when other people have different opinions.

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explain yourself salty miner!

explanation :

dont be upset with everything you getting said

and i´m proud of it

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what is your problem with the state of behaving, looking like, or having qualities similar to a woman?

Classic Salty miner! Hopefully CCP will implement safe spaces soon.

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if they do they will no longer have a working game :slight_smile:

you just cry about everything in this state and wanna change everything for no reason and dont accept other ppl oppinion → thats toxic

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And maybe the asteroid doesn’t like to be mined. It’s not like someone is asking or expecting that you like it. It’s part of the game to not get ganked, and it’s rather easy to do so.

Personally I don’t like being taken advantage off on the market, having to pay above value prices for items is just wrong. Capitalising on someone who’s just trying to buy basic things they need for their survival is just inhumane and terrible. Why don’t they think of the children newbies!

And then buying children’s newbie’s stuff below actual value, ripping them off? That’s the real toxicity!

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If you’re not thinking of leaving at least once a week then you’re not playing Eve properly. In my view the game is designed to have people right on the edge of ‘stuff this’ vs ‘isn’t this wonderful’ and the biggest ‘win’ in Eve is that one is still in it.

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If the terms of service is not broken then there is nothing toxic and playing the game as long as it fits within the rules on such terms.

I’d say, toxicity is repulsive behavior that is a net negative for the game / community. We’re complex beings in most cases, so game mechanics can serve as an facilitator of toxic behavior. I don’t think it’s right to rigidly separate mechanics from toxicity, there’s a lot of terrible things that the game allows you to do, that can absolutely ruin someone’s day.

What you guys are using as an common argument to that is “well, if the game allows me to, it can’t be toxic.”.
The game however, is not what decides what is hurtful and what isn’t - it’s you. What you’re mistaking it for is legality. And there are plenty of things that are legal and permissible in countries all around the world, that can be abused to an extreme extent and make life miserable, think of two neighbors that are angry with each other. Things can be legal, but that doesn’t mean that their use cannot ever be toxic.

You guys also brought up ganking as a bit of a centerpoint here, because losing ships and being told to calm down and drink tea are terrible experiences. But in the context of the game, I’d say that ganking itself isn’t toxic, because the game is not favoring anyone, and it sets the expectation that you are never truly safe and thus must be vigilant. In that sense, it is more antagonistic than anything else, which is fair. It would be toxic, if the gankers had an unfair ingame advantage, like a ship that doesn’t get concorded, because that is making use of an mechanic against you, that you do not have access to, as a really rough example. But yeah, those are the thoughts that I have at the moment.

With antidotal regards
-James Fuchs

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Unfortunately most people forget that they can simply decide not to be ‘hurt’ by some online comment. Offense is taken, not given.

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yes and this is why this game is the most beautiful for the most ppl.
and if you decide to ruine someones day doesnt mean your toxic because this game lives from this kind of decision

no thats in general not correct ! the game allows you to do things which you never could do in any other MMO´s and ppl love it ! they can be an asshole ingame still not mean if your kill someone its toxic and his day is still ruined.

whats toxic on such situations are, if you blame your victime and “hurt his feelings” but this never should happen in a pixel space game so… toxicity need always both sites ( INGAME )

if a ship doesnt get concorded its an exploit and prohibited by CCP and this one gets banned so no… THIS excample cant be the correct !
and using game mechanics against you … sure ! everyone everywhere uses game mechanics but the most ppl arent aware of ALL mechanics so they get victims by itself because he dont know the game !

in your example of the ganker is the general HS miner a victime if the miner dont understand how to use game mechanics to avoid ganks. and its quite simple → use your dscan and watch local … its one of the easiest game mechanics to understan but ppl dont use it and then their game gets ruined because they are not aware of the situation

everyone has exact the same access to game mechanics ! nobody gets an “unfair advantage”

i´m absolute with you ! if you always take ingame actions personaly then your never gonna be happy ( out of game the same ! )

thats why HS ppl are always a good salt mine :wink: because they just wanna relaxed mine or PvE´ing and someone gank them

Without respect, that is the definition of toxicity.
There is a reason why insults, ad hominem are forbidden on the forum : it’s because it makes the communication worse.

So yes, since many players want to be able to insult the other players (whatever their activity), it makes the community as a whole toxic.
Your claim is what makes the community toxic : finding excuse to justify a lack of respect.

What I need is trust as I don’t have any. I had never found trust in EveOnline