Is Hisec ganking good for the game?

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Xucca

There are 130k+ damage ganks in HS. Careful! I have more… so this is just the tip.
Know the game.

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[Gix_Firebrand]

@Rroff

ROFL… no I was not a null bear F1 monkey… seriously starting to question your level of experience now if that is the take away from my killboard.

Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork was one of the larger wormhole entities of that time.

Again, its plain you only know null/WH tactics as already shown in this thread. Nice dodge. Your last kill was 2014. You have no weight in this thread.

@Dracvlad

Blimey, a player that defines Eve as hisec ganking by excessive multi-boxers, who pick the ship mix by use of a lookup spreadsheet, and who gave up when their unlimited point from bumping behind CONCORD was removed, OK, right…, if you say so.

Eve is much more than that.

Says someone who just re-subbed to never undock and only did so cause Aiko bullied him into it LOL.

Nomaa is so dangerous amirite?

[Dracvlad]

You seem a bit uptight, and yet you said earlier that you have no dog in this fight, seems that you do, with all this emotion coming from you.

I am undocked, in 0.0.

Why do I have to prove anything to you, if you want to think that I am docked in Nomaa, then be my guest.

[Gix_Firebrand]

Prove it bruv. Name the system.

Not really. Been destroying peeps left and right in this thread. Lets not pretend you’re actually playing.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Dracvlad

I am undocked, in 0.0.

WHAT A LIAR.

He’s docked up in Kaaputenen.

[Dracvlad]

While I am not an excessive multi-boxer I do have several accounts and I am playing on another while being amused by your scout alt wasting his time with my main.

You should stop going off topic, obviously you cannot accept different opinions on hisec ganking and it’s impact on the player base.

@Xucca

The ganked should have more ways than bending the knee. A route to survival equivalent.
Then, one could say that it may or may not be fun for both parties maybe even at the same time…

This is what I am interested in, I am glad others see it too.

[Aiko_Danuja]

Yes, every Highsec carebear has their secret elite nullbear main.

[Ramona_McCandless]

It must be the ISDs day off this week

[Landeskog_Salvo]

I think my character was created in 2012, I took breaks here and there from Eve. I Mine and Haul (Space Trucker) do all kinds of activities, and not really been ganked in Highsec ever. At least I can’t recall it happening ever.

I am not sure how people get consistently ganked in highsec, it seems super rare.

[Scootaloo_Pirkibo]

I got ganker twice in more than 15year (I didn’t played for the 15 years however) … once I was hauling a bit of value and it was still the time where we could not warp to 0 at a gate, so ok … I think he was a noob ganker because he lost more than my value that was honestly not high. Maybe I was a dummy test because it didn’t really made any sense killing me

Second ones was several years ago, I was RL busy and had to push the autopilot (I should have just docked)… I was distracted by RL and just noticed I reached Niarja when it was still high sec. The warp started already before I could stop the ship
Of course when I landed at the opposite gate I got killed
Fully deserved

Doesn’t look to me such a game breaking issue

[Pan_Dora1 (Pan Dora)]

@Ridley_Rohan

At this point I think I might have a better conversation with a box of rocks

Not for the rocks.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Xucca

The ganked should have more ways than bending the knee. A route to survival equivalent.
Then, one could say that it may or may not be fun for both parties maybe even at the same time…

Bruh you can literally do tons of things besides “bending the knee” including going out there and ganking the gankers. Please, please live in reality. Thankee.

@Landeskog_Salvo

I think my character was created in 2012, I took breaks here and there from Eve. I Mine and Haul (Space Trucker) do all kinds of activities, and not really been ganked in Highsec ever. At least I can’t recall it happening ever.

I am not sure how people get consistently ganked in highsec, it seems super rare.

Thank you for preaching the truth.

@Dracvlad

While I am not an excessive multi-boxer I do have several accounts and I am playing on another while being amused by your scout alt wasting his time with my main.

In other words, you don’t even play on Drac, you just krab in null now that Aiko bullied you into re-subbing. Got it.

[Dracvlad]

@Gix_Firebrand

In other words, you don’t even play on Drac, you just krab in null now that Aiko bullied you into re-subbing. Got it.

What?

I subbed because Astral Battle went after several ganker structures, three of which were blown up last night.

Revenge for what? You are so off topic you know. AIko gets in her own head, though she is amusing.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Dracvlad

What?

I subbed because Astral Battle went after several ganker structures, three of which were blown up last night.

LOL sure you did buddy. Or Aiko got into your head so much you re-subbed and wanted revenge.

[Gerard_Amatin]

@Ridley_Rohan

No. Why in blazes would TWO labels be necessary? Of course that’s redundant.

Whatever uses current security levels are put to, PI, bounties, whatever, its all based on Concord response times.

Err, no?

How can the security levels of systems be based on CONCORD response timers when none of the systems outside high sec don’t even have CONCORD response timers?

It’s the other way around, CONCORD response times is based on the security status of systems. Security levels of systems does matter even below 0.5. Seems you have a very high sec-centric view of the game if you think otherwise.

So we both arrive at the conclusion that it is indeed redundant to have two labels.

As one label depends on the other in high sec space and is irrelevant elsewhere, and the other label is relevant everywhere, it is clear that we can only remove one of the two labels without breaking the system for half the game.

[Etch_Masuka]

@Rroff

I’m a member of another forum with a big Eve following and still the same old complaints crop up when someone tries the game - a not insignificant number quit after being ganked by faceless alts. Usually after undocking with PLEX in cargo despite a dozen people emphasising how never to do so

I’m pretty sure Dracvlad told that story to. Is the mask slipping?

[Kestrix]

In a nutshell … Yes.

If you somehow manage to get CCP to alter the game enough to make high security space ganking a thing of the past, the gankers will still be here and they will be looking for a new “thing” both to profit from and entertain them and I can guarantee you won’t like it.

So getting rid of high sec ganking is a bad thing because it will upset everyone. It’ll upset the gankers because they will have to do what you can’t and thats adapt and that in turn will upset players like you (again) because you can’t adapt and then the forums will be full of threads like this again which upsets the rest of us.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Pan_Dora1

Not for the rocks.

LOL.

Nice one.

[Dracvlad]

I hear the word adapt used a lot by gankers and ganker shrills, I am also noting that if you talk about anything that is perceived as a nerf in any shape or form by gankers and ganker shrills. they start telling all and sundry that our intention is to stop ganking in hisec, which is their own words and not mine.

When I pushed for bumping to be adjusted I was told by many gankers that I was ending ganking in hisec, first of all most ganking in hisec did not involve bumping, so that was false. Certain gankers also said that they would give in, hardly the attitude of those that adapt. In fact Australian Excellence gave in to a change that required him to use a suicide point. Was that adapting, did he find a new thing to profit from.

And yet Kusion continued, and other gankers came in, exactly as I predicted. Go and check Ohida where the colourful Don Purple holds court.

That gankers and their shrills use this type of sleight of hand indicates that they are only concerned with their advantages and any threat to those advantages.

I have suggested three thinsg to improve the lot of the solo account hisec hauler player. The most important one is to enable the courier contrarct to be split up into smaller chunks as needed by the contractor, with the limitation that any really large item can only be split to that size.

Another suggestion I had was allowing freighters to fit BS MWD, to enable more counter play options for freighter pilots and reward them for fitting modules that help align faster.

The most dangerous one to freighter gankers was in fact the suggestion that the signature radius supressor I or something like it can be fitted to freighters. With the objective that it would not be such a certain kill. Of the three this is the one that would most seriously impact the freighter gankers.

As such I am quite happy with the first two suggestions in terms of balance, I am damn sure that a competent ganker like Kusion could adapt to these adjustments, he could even adapt to the third one too, as his pockets are indeed deep and could add more DPS.

Perhaps the third one could raise the ridiculously low value of 1bn cargo as being worth ganking. Who knows.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Gerard_Amatin

Security levels of systems does matter even below 0.5.

Yeah. That’s why I opted for the name of Gate Gun Response Space for it. You don’t seem to be following the conversation.

@Gerard_Amatin

How can the security levels of systems be based on CONCORD response timers when none of the systems outside high sec don’t even have CONCORD response timers?

Timers? Concord? All of space outside of hi-sec? That’s not what I said. In low sec there are gate guns. IDK if they are Concord or FacPo. Nor do I care. Null sec is so called for having no Concord or FacPo “security”. Security is null. All three of those are based on Concord and perhaps even FacPo RESPONSE or lack there of. And I never said wormhole space or any other needed renaming.

AFAIK only in hi-sec do the timers matter, and yes, the security level drops the longer it takes Concord to respond. Its obviously the original basis for the security levels.

@Gerard_Amatin

As one label depends on the other in high sec space and is irrelevant elsewhere, and the other label is relevant everywhere, it is clear that we can only remove one of the two labels without breaking the system for half the game.

I have no idea why would you would write that some simple name changes would break half the system.

Dramatic much?

There is no good reason to have low sec on a similar scale as hi-sec when it operates so completely differently that people often ignore the scale and give them separate names. Separate names in all instances makes better sense. Concord Response Space, Gate Gun space, and Null Response Space. One name for each area of space instead of the two side by side systems we have now, one of words and one of numbers. OF COURSE its better to have one coherent system!