Is it allowed to abuse the forum moderation flags?

Indeed.

@ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode

See this? Idiot is flagging me for spamming my own thread!

https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/6?u=aiko_danuja

Maybe they want us to riot.

Edit:

Hold on.
That’s not how they operate.

They’re doing nothing on purpose.
When it escalates too far, they step in.
When it doesn’t … they don’t.

That’s how CCP always operated and the exCSM who did an AMA actually mentioned this as well. There’s plenty of evidence for this, so why should it be any different here?

What’s weird though is that it appears that the ISD do nothing either.

Maybe GD is a combat zone?

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You are intentionally, and quite poorly, trolling the Eve Lore board.

If you don’t want to get flagged, maybe you should stop doing that.

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You mean, by asking how EVE lore portrays miners? It’s not trolling if I’m actually curious about the answer, or is it? What is trolling?

The definition of trolling is rather vague, and your accusation of “quite poorly” trolling doesn’t really help your case - am I trolling or not? Is there a way to troll “well” which meets your standards? I’ve heard it said that trolling is like fishing, fishing for responses - so in that vein, asking any question at all, or saying anything intended to try and obtain a response, might reasonably fall under the category of trolling.

You know, in my line of business within EVE, we really are rather interested in miners - so it would seem that someone like me might naturally inquire about them. We actually have an entire website dedicated to the discussion of miners and mining culture, so asking how they are represented in lore is not trolling, as its a genuine question. That’s the perfect opportunity for people to present their view of how mining is reflected in lore - whereas you want to censor that discussion and prevent it from occurring.

Are you sure YOU aren’t trolling there and here? Besides, are YOU the moderator of this forum? Should YOU be the one who decides who should and shouldn’t post what and where? Maybe I should start appointing myself as the moderator of you? Should I do that? I’ll just go to every post you make, and if I disagree with it, then I will call it trolling and flag it. For example, if you say that people don’t need permits, that permits aren’t part of EVE lore, then I will simply say that’s trolling and untrue and flag you. I will say that you are griefing new players and leading them awry with your no-permit scam. Then you can come here, and you can message @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode and we will see whether he thinks one person should have the ability to unilaterally hide any post they dislike.

Sound fair?

You know, it should be possible to have a difference of opinion and disagree and even dislike people, without abusing the forum moderation system.

This is an in-character post. You posted it on an out-of-character board. It’s not the only one, even after being corrected.

When you’re ready to respect the very basic guidelines for RP, come back and see us.

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Oh, am I too in character for you?

I’m sorry you are upset, but are you the moderator of the forum?

Can I be the moderator too? Are you ok with that, if I start flagging all your posts as spam?

Is there even a rule somewhere that states you cannot be “in character”?
Or did you just make that up?

I would think, if a new player really wants to roleplay as Minmatari, they would welcome the opportunity to meet a Khanid princess. What better opportunity to repent and be saved?

I think he means “Stop saying things that I don’t agree with.” Which seems to be the same message of most highsec carebears on the forums now-a-days.

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IT TRIGGERS ME WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING I DON’T AGREE WITH!

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Not just on the forums either. I think the schools need to start teaching John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty - freedom of speech is more than just some abstract phrase or concept, it is the basis of intellectual growth. Censorship, or flagging disagreeable posts for ‘spam’, is the act of a weak minded individual who cannot handle dissenting opinions and worldviews.

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Rest assured I do read a ton of things on the forums, especially things that are flagged. My goal has always been transparent moderation, and if action is taken, I will say why. As for the rest of the thread, you only have my word that I’m bringing it up to people above me.

But seriously, don’t abuse the flag mechanic.

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No, I’m not, but I hope my point is well taken. It’s being abused, no doubt about that.

Personally, I think the best solution for forums is to allow the original poster to ban anyone they want from their thread. If someone is trolling you, just kick them out of your post. Other people really don’t need to be involved, unless an official moderator is needed for something egregious. I’ve never seen that tried on any forum, but maybe CCP will be an innovator and I’ll become world famous for solving forum moderation problems! However, letting anyone self-moderate anyone is bound to lead to some issues.

I don’t envy your duties, but I greatly appreciate all the volunteer work you and the rest of the ISD do.

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lol! now my posts in this thread are being removed for spam. loool

You know why you never see it. Because it means threads become an echo chamber. Facebook is good for that. Being able to drop misleading or abusive threads on a forum and then able to censor everyone who dares point that out is bad.
And frankly yes you are trolling in a lot of those threads, posting to deliberately get people emotional is the very definition of trolling.

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I wouldn’t say that. It hasn’t really been tried, so we couldn’t know for sure what the result will be. Some threads will certainly be an echo chamber, it will depend on the original poster. People who boot everyone out of their thread will find themselves talking to themself. Other people will foster more open discussion. Unfortunately, moderators can’t moderate every thread, which is why we see this attempt to allow average users to moderate. However, if just anyone can do it, then it will be abused as people go from thread to thread flagging everything. So it seems reasonable to grant the OP moderator powers, as a compromise between no community powers and granting everyone widespread powers. Shrug. If I ran a forum, I’d definitely try it. If it doesn’t work, switch to something else.

Well, I think we would have to disagree. I think getting emotional is a form of trolling - these people are choosing to get emotional, and I am not deliberately inviting that. They could just as easily be calm and reasonable, if they were mature enough to do so.

Don’t blame me for other people’s bad behavior. I will concede CODE. has had its fair share of bad actors (as has every alliance), but by and large we are by far one of the most polite and reasonable groups of people. People want CODE. to be the bad guys, and get triggered when we insist we are the good guys. It’s not our fault that everyone gets triggered by a wonderful saint like James 315. Yes, he expects you to get a permit. Yes, it’s the law. Yes, we actually believe that, and no we aren’t roleplaying either.

Did that make you emotional? That’s you pal, not me.

Nice. I just got another one of my posts hidden.

This is an automated message from EVE Online Forums to let you know that your post was hidden.

https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/39

Your post was flagged as inappropriate : the community feels it is offensive, abusive, or a violation of our community guidelines.

Apparently showing examples of bots that I’ve reported is “offensive” “abusive” or a “violation” of the community guidelines. Now I’ve got to wait 10 minutes before I can edit it, and watch as it gets flagged again then hidden once more. Oh joy.

In what was is this “offensive” or “abusive”? Is providing circumstantial evidence of what I claimed “offensive”? Is it “abusive”?

It’s not about too much, it’s about in the wrong place. On the lore forums, there is the Intergalactic Summit part that is for roleplaying, and there’s the Lore discussion part that is for talking about lore as players.

When people flag OOC stuff on the IC part and IC stuff on OOC part, it is not about disagreeing with you or attacking you; it is about trying to keep the board clean so that they are easier to read. There’s no need to become upset about it or thing you are being censored or any such thing. Just move the stuff where it belongs, just like everyone else?

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Yeah, just respect the rules, like everyone else.