You’ll also need to know the highest likely dps gankers might throw at you, including highest likely alpha. The game should tell you that too.
Or, considering you’ve played months to earn billions of ISK in the first place, you could spend a few minutes reading up on a few basic guides.
Why aren’t the miners flying procurers? You know, the inexpensive barge that boasts in excess of 100,000 EHP while enjoying comparible yield to the other barges?
Thats not imbalance, that’s simply players refusing to use the tools they already have.
Actually, they nerfed it because it was a disproportionately popular choice amongst the exhumers. Apparently players valued large ore holds quite abut more than any other stat, so they reigned in a bit.
If gankers were whining, wouldn’t we see a reduction in tank, rather than yield?
This is a no brainer. You can fit a procurer with a considerable tank. Granted you sacrifice yield, but you can’t eat your cake and have it.
Alternatively you can for pure yield and just expect to die periodically and factor that into your calculations.
Probably because everyone preferred to semi-AFK mine.
Stop using logic please.
So, the first thing is that “miners” don’t fly freighters. You can’t mine in a freighter.
The second thing is, well, two things:
Thirdly, the Orca is not a freighter. Are you complaining about complaints about mining ships or are you complaining about complaints about freighters?
Don’t act like you are the hardest of the hard. You cried and complained when AGs started killing freighter wrecks and what did good ‘ole CCP do FOR YOU? They even buffed your suicide ganking ships’ hull HP for you, because guess what kind of ships almost never fit a damage control.
And did you even say “Thank you.”? I’m betting you did.
so youre saying people who get into an activity they dont understand are not to blame for failing at it
so if you try to build your own nuke and die of radiation poisoning then its not your fault
is that what you are saying
its not your fault for poisoning yourself with radiation and we should blame the schools for not teaching kids how to build nukes
there are loop holes in the sec status that allow you to be red and not have navies chase you and now theres a new thing where you can go gcc, get popped once and be back out waiting to insta warp to a new target.
Don’t be dense. Nobody understands everything about a game before they begin to play it, nor should they be expected to.
Something as important as the differences in concord reaction times should definitely be explained to the player considering the potential for devastating losses. You would have to be a moron to think otherwise. Only suicide gankers themselves typically observe this mechanic.
Catalyst:
Swap 1 Turret High to a Launcher High, similar to Thrasher.
nope youd have to be a moron to think that and a bitter cvarebear who gets ganked because they fail to bother to protect themselves and blame ccp because they suck at games
Security status is far too easy to recover when compared with factional standings. The loss of security status should be much more more proportional to the crime. Presently CONCORD seem to operate a very lenient justice program for habitual, repeat offenders.
Gankers dont care about security status.
Faction police are a joke,
another history required I see. The tiericde of mining barges did not occur until after 5 hulkageddons and 3 ice Interdiction. which occurred mid-2012. just more evidence of a narrow/obsessive attack on miners to the exclusion of other ships/activity. mining barges when originally released had a single mid-slot and were expected to mount shield defence. pause and think about that. why? hanlon’s razor. neither the community or CCP considered that it be the focus of a aggression or mining was a setup to provide low-hanging fruit in a pvp environment.
Miners for years pointed out that the hulk was difficult to tank. Even the organiser of hulkageddon once suggest it need more grid. which of course never happened. and just how many times has player feedback been ignored and eventually proven correct. the reduction of yield was provide an incentive for miners to switch over to covetor/hulk which are the weakest in defence. so gankers got what that they whined for - in a roundabout way.
Dude. You are the one talking about source.
If you are not able to understand my example, feel free to ask questions about it.
My experience is a correct source for examples.
Just don’t affirm an example needs a specific source to be correct.
If you want to find terms that describe my example, I think “cost” or “benefit” would be the correct one. Feel free to search how the cost of executing a service prevents executer from being paid less than said cost, and how the benefit from buying a service prevents the buyer from paying more than said benefit.
I’m well aware of the buffs that occurred in 2012 and I for one agree that buffs, particularly in terms if tank were warranted. You’d have a point if that were still the case in 2018, but we do have the procurers that boasts over 100kEHP today. There’s a lot of complaint from carebears that they can’t defend themselves with a strong tank but they already have that option - they’re just not using it.
As to the note on macks; maybe CCP were telling the truth and the mack was disproportionately popular compared to other mining ships. It’s interesting you think gankers have CCP’s ear considering the rather significant nerfs suicide ganking and general HiSec aggression have suffered over the last few years.
oh they do in a way, CSM minutes have noted many times of how much CCP wants more destruction.
Also mining in a proc gives some of the ganker groups what they want, and even than they will kill a tanked proc just to prove a point and use any ship to do it, afterall when its isk from someone else paying you to kill miners and others, why not?
I knew of miners that give a portion of their isk to ganking groups to target other miners
Because you’re not providing one. You cannot be your own source, you need to reference a 3rd party. I’m not even fussy about the quality, I just want something, anything that shows me you haven’t just made this up. Just about anyone blogging about what causes the price of a product/service to change is fine.
I understand it just fine. In it, you can’t offer more than 1ISK per hour because you’re limited by what you’re earning. You say this is proof of a third factor. I say your income is limited by a lack of demand.
Go -5 and show us. I bet you have once again no idea what you are talking about.
Interesting. Considering they’ve done more to stymie sources of destruction over the last few years they seem to be going about it in a very peculiar way.
I believe you’re referencing James 315 and friends. Seeing as their goal is to give miners a choice about how they earn their income, seeing people choosing to fit for tank over yield would be a win for them.
They could, but only if the pilot is drawing attention to himself by talking smack in local, for example. Seldom does a procurer fall and I’ve never seen a properly fit procurer appear on zkill.
Isn’t that a good thing? Competition creating emergent behaviour and content for other players an’ all.
Eve Online, where cutthroat business practices are taken seriously.
I want to see the killmail that caused this thread 