What some worthless rhetoric? When I fly a procurer I understand the trade-off. It is the lowest yield of barges. I happen to be one of the voices that argued for the procurer to retain its 4 mids when CCP Fozzie offered to trade a mid for a low. (2-3-3 instead of 2-4-2 current). The utility of a survey scanner outweighs the potential of the 9% MLU II. A small sacrifice of yield stacked up against a hull most gankers not bothering with. They can posture or spin all they want, I am still mining and they donât have a kill-mail.
I disagree.
Replace some imbecile with someone else, and then weâre good.
It doesnât take an idiot to make a mistake.
If they persist in the behavior, however⌠
This clarification aside, I do agree with the general sentiment.
âSemi-concurring Gadget
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1- ganking is not exploiting any game mechanics.
Only dumb players
2- link the lossmail.
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Point taken. Weâve all made mistakes and the important thing is to learn from them.
I will start by agreeing with you. Miners have the choice to take, and based on kill board history elect not take it. (there is a dead retriever every twenty minutes). In any ore belt I visit be a variety of mining ships across the range of options.
I see ice-belts however full of skiffs and some procurers. Because these are a primary fishing ground for ganking. Looking at kill boards shows that mining ships do die in these systems. But there is an evolution into tanking. (survival of the fittest⌠tank)
But let me challenge you. When was the last significant miner thread-naught? There is noise about the NPC miners that I really do not think qualifies and it does not does link to ganking. There is a small amount of feedback for Resource Wars. (but that was actual feedback so again, no) The yesteryear thread-naughts of hulkageddon or miner bumping are ancient history. There is some bitching about Rorquals - but again not about high-sec or ganking.
Most of the ganking complaint relates to freighter kills.
The interesting surprise was to see miners post-patch (July 2012), realize that their tech2 cargo rigs were now worthless. They came to the forums for a whinge and demand compensation. (sad trombone) After how many months of fore-warning of the update introducing the ore-hold? Again adds weight to my assertion that miners are not connected. And not being connected means they cannot make complaint.
On the other hand - it seemed that anti-ganking was making head-way by killing the wrecks of freighters to deny loot. Didnât take too long to change. Some certainly have the ear of CCP.
If anyone does, itâs nulsec. This change was brought in to make it harder to kill the wrecks of capitals and supercapitals so that there is still some loot around at the end of a big battle. This change had nothing to do with ganking or any gankers having the ear of CCP.
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I am highsec ganker. I do not do that for profit, I do that because I can and to fill my killboard with lots of kills of nice value.
I can tell you that my victims did nothing wrong. They did not make any bad decision, or you want to tell me that flying the ship itself is bad decision?
I gank for fun and because I believe that more ganking is the only way to change the system so I do that. In fact, I am actually griefer - I kill capsules, ventures, shuttles and drones of Orca (just yesterday killed 5 harvester drones and caused the player to lose 2bilion value with such ease it got me laughing, 1 t1 thrasher can do that even in 1.0). In any other game it would be griefing, so I say I am griefer, but in EVE it is not of course. Maybe I should refer to myself as elite pvper then lol.
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Funny how the only thing youâve killed on your KB is a bunch of industrial alts barely worth a grand total of 14m for your entire killboard history.
Youâre not a ganker. Youâre making this up. I wonder why.
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Obviously I use alt for posting on forum.
You know why? Because first thing peoples like you do is to check the name on killboard.
And when you donât see any gank activity you will accuse me of lying in some attempt to counter my argument. But that doesnât make my argument invalid.
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Then why donât you post with your main? If you know people are going to check, and youâre so proud of what you do, why do you feel the need to hide it?
If you make a claim, you need to be able to back it up, or no one has any reason to believe you.
In any case, you havenât really made an argument. All youâve said is, âIâm a ganker.â So what? So are a few hundred other people, maybe a few thousand. Welcome to the club.
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That doesnt make sense.
Loser of a battle isnt going to hang around destroying their wrecks, nor waste dps during the battle on destroying them.
Given that prior to the change, one lone ship could pop multiple wrecks before being killed, you are not correct. Ask one destroyer or cruiser to pop those old wrecks, you lose minimal DPS in a losing battle and you deny your enemy billions in loot from capital wrecks. It happened very often.
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Point is. That as a ganker I can actually realistically evaluate my job. And I can easily see that both sides are saying crap. OP and him alike are overexaggerating the value of profit and Your_Ex_Girlfrind alike are overexaggerating the cost of the ganking and trying to persuade that it is victim fault he got ganked. This is wrong.
- the cost of the gank is relative - it does cost something, but depends on how much ISK you can earn by doing other activities, or from sponsors or from whatever you were doing before you switched to ganking. The more ISK you have/get the less important is cost of the gank. For me personally, I can fund my t1 thrasher operation indefinitely. It is so cheap and I can manufactore everything so I donât need to play for profit any longer, I have enought isk saved to fund this operation untill end of eve. And this scales up, it is no wonder that the big nullsec alliances are doing or funding the freighter ganks. Even if there is no loot, the cost of the gank is laughable for them and in 0.5 at least, ganking even empty freighters is âisk positiveâ.
- As for being victim, take for example the Hulk exhumer. You are going to get ganked just for flying it. It doesnât matter how you tank it, the best scenario is that the gankers will need 2 characters in 0.5/0.6/0.7 to kill it instead of one. The only way to prevent being ganked is to not mine even semi-afk, have all known gankers marked, and dock up instantly the moment one red appears in local. And even that can be too late as the ganker alt that was cloaked behind the Hulk can start bumping him. My group is changing the scouting alts on week basis (it takes 1day to skill up such character) so there is no way you can be aware of the gank-warp-in scouts. But then, if you must look at local all the time you mine, press-dscan if you donât see combat probes, be pre/aligned to the nearest citadel/station and generally play like if you were in lowsec I wonder why do anyone even mine in highsec (outside of the skiff) when you can mine in same way in lowsec and you can mine better ores.
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It makes plenty of sense. If your side is losing ships, and you know youâre going to lose the battle, you can start blowing up your own wrecks to deny the enemy their loot. You really have no idea how to EVE, do you.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If ganking is a job to you, youâre doing it wrong.
While I disagree with your play style, Thank you for being honest about it. Most gankers do everything they can to justify it by saying how hard and expensive it is and how itâs the victims fault and spew trash talk on the forums.
Sure it does. Youâre lying in your post, in the hopes of pushing your anti gank agenda.
Your decision doesnât lend your argument any credence either.
Not to say I disagree with your decision to have a dedicated information warfare specialist toon, but you not being able to prove your words is the natural consequence.
âInformation Warfare Specialist Gadget, 1st Grade
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Anyway, these posts on forum change nothing. Older gankers have strong propaganda here and will turn every single thread about ganking into personal attack/mocking. Just as AFK cloaking. Just look at Gujinsuâs posts against my posts.
They might actually started to believe the craps they claim about ganking.
Yes, lot of the âganking must be changed/removedâ posters doesnât know what they talk about. Everyone who really wants to improve the ganking mechanics should try it first. Ganking is part of eve, it just need few changes and improvements both towards victims and aggressors.
I believe the only way to change the system is to get more players on the path of suicide ganking. Compared to other activities, only minority of players are gankers, until there will be more gankers than miners CCP wonât change a â â â â . So it is simple - we need more gankers to show CCP that something needs to be done.
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You could also loot them yourself.