Jita, Gankers and Automation

Thats exactly the response I was looking for! :rofl:

Not being technically a ganker, more of a hunter, I try to see your point from your point of view. Unfortunately, it appears that only CCP has the numbers and wont share. Neither of us can prove our points sadly as it would put a lot of myths to rest.

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I like how E.F. Caveated that with always. Statements like that just show the extreme biases this person has for ganking. And an unwillingness to have any sort of meaningful discussion. It’s almost like they gave themselves away. But surely not! This couldn’t possibly be another [redacted] alt!

Don’t knock your skills. You’re better at this game then you give yourself credit for.

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I haven’t yet met a ganker who hasn’t at some point claimed their superiority. And it’s as easy as mining, that’s why ganking and mining are examples of gameplay you can multibox a dozen times over. You’ve criticised PvE players a lot but there is certainly highsec PvE that is more challenging and with a greater risk than ganking. Taking on a FOB is one such example.

I don’t even think CCP has numbers on who is a carebear or not. What we do know is that gankers hide in highsec calling other people who play in highsec carebears while refusing to take on any significant risks by hunting tougher targets.

Actually, we don’t know.

All we have is speculation, rumors and wishful thinking. No solid evidence. Your assumptions add no weight to your argument.

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Hyperbole is probably the easiest thing of all.

Miners can literally save a bookmark and return to the exact same spot and carry on. Gankers are dependent on where the fleet warp dumps them…which can vary widely. My last gank, I arrived 18km from the target…and I was the one assigned to warp scramble the target, with a scrambler with a range of 7.5km. So I was 10km short ! The miner had ample opportunity to get away as I desperately tried to come within range…but he failed to make any move.

If the miner had been paying attention instead of watching Netflix, he’d have noticed my scout ship going round the belts looking for miners 10 minutes earlier. He’d have noticed 4 Catalysts arrive at a NPC station nearby, if he’d been using d-scan. Even then he still had minutes in which to take action as the gank fleet did last minute checks. And even when the gank fleet arrived…he could have got away as most of the gank fleet arrived too far away.

Our gank fleet snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. ‘Superior’ ? Nah. Better at the cat and mouse game than the miners ? Definitely. The miner has just one job…to pay attention. Many can’t even manage that.

Then whoever warped you is the worst. Even warping a large fleet of gankers so far off target requires a very particular lack of skills but to warp a small group that far off is crazy. Are you sure whoever was warping you wasn’t deliberately trying to make you fail?

Yeah, I know, you think everyone should only pay attention to EVE. but this isn’t about whether or not you like how miners choose to balance risk, it’s about whether or not ganking is a hunter/prey dynamic, or one type of carebear getting easy kills on another type of carebear while both hide in highsec. Gankers are not superior in any way, they’re the same as highsec miners, looking for low risk, easy content.

That’s why you do it too, right? You’ve made a point of telling people how infrequently you lose ships and how you now have a big stockpile of ships. All that tells me is that you are risk averse. You will avoid content if it has a high risk of causing you a loss.

It sounds like you don’t understand some basic game mechanics.

Not a surprise, since you haven’t played the game in a decade.

Yeah, you can’t land fleets on target and I’m the one that doesn’t understand the mechanics.

Dunning-Kruger.

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Lol…you’ve obviously never warped right into the middle of a bunch of large asteroids. It’s a wonder all 3 ships did actually end up on the kill. I did well to make up the gap and scramble the Retriever and apply some DPS.

Meh. Those ultra brave people in 100 man lowsec and nullsec fleets…where’s the pressure on them to score ? I mean, I see a good deal of your own killboard consists of large fleets and you getting what killboard records as 0 as it is so small. Not much pressure on you, eh ? Does anyone even notice if you get zero ? Are there ‘Elizabet scored nothing again’ comments in fleet chat ? I doubt it.

On the other hand, in a 3 person gank fleet I have to score. I have to scramble that miner as the fleet is relying on it. If I mess up then it gets noticed. So the pressure is far larger.

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Lol. Only a dummy deliberately makes themselves vulnerable or has fights they know they are going to lose. For example I have hauling small but expensive stuff down to a fine art. Why would I want to take the risk when I can all but eliminate it ? That’s not risk averse…its clever.

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Of course I have. Claiming you bounced off of asteroids doesn’t excuse a poor FC.

Where did I say they are ultra brave or that the pressure is on?

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say here. What is recorded as 0?

It’s hilarious how you originally used to attack people with “You have no killboard”. Now you’re going with “your killboard isn’t passing some quality metric I’ve made up”.

It’s not about having fights you know you are going to lose. You run away from fights if you might lose.

This is just like when you were claiming you’re amazing at using a mouse. It’s not amazing, it’s not an art. Anyone can move small expensive stuff in safety, it takes very basic knowledge of EVE.

It’s hiliarious how you think whoring on a couple kills in nullsec means you have a real killboard. You are just a fake wannabe.

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You are the polar opposite of Gix Firebrand.
He’s male you’re female.
He loves ganking and you hate it… it’s like looking at the two sides of a coin.
And you both never drop it ever until the thread is locked then you start over in another thread :sweat_smile:

I’m sorry it’s hilarious how y’all keep lobbing crap at each other yet you keep at it, like a snowball fight :smiley:

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I don’t hate ganking. I just don’t think it’s as important as some people on this forum seem to think it is. I think it should probably stay in but would not be the end of the game if CCP continued to move away from it. It’s low tier PvP.

It’d be like if CCP removed highsec ratting anoms, annoying to the few people that do them but uneventful in the grand scheme of things.

Apologies, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.
I think ganking is fine. CCP is trying to balance the game to make it fairer so of course some people will be rattled.
I personally wished they fixed the game before they fixed PvP.

I don’t know if it would be the end of the game but it would sure be a sad day.

I’m not saying it would be the end of the world but, unlike ratting, ganking and PvP permit players to duke it out in space and take the spoils. That’s awesome, I loves me a pirate!

I don’t know many games that give what EVE gives. I tried Elite a few months ago but I didn’t like it. :confused:

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I was there. You weren’t. It is just tiresome the way you pull some invented straw man narrative out of a hat because you can never, ever, be wrong about anything so have to make stuff up.

What a load of invented trolling nonsense. You have no idea what I do. Again you just invent some straw man narrative like trolls usually do.

It’s just now a shame that you wrecked your profile picture. Please return it back to how it was…thanks. :nauseated_face:

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“There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.”

Ernest Hemingway

CCP betrayed its own credo. I could go on but it’s outta my hands. :laughing:

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But but I just went to the hair salon :weary:

Fine I’ll change it back. Just don’t throw up please.

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