Not being technically a ganker, more of a hunter, I try to see your point from your point of view. Unfortunately, it appears that only CCP has the numbers and wont share. Neither of us can prove our points sadly as it would put a lot of myths to rest.
I like how E.F. Caveated that with always. Statements like that just show the extreme biases this person has for ganking. And an unwillingness to have any sort of meaningful discussion. Itâs almost like they gave themselves away. But surely not! This couldnât possibly be another [redacted] alt!
Donât knock your skills. Youâre better at this game then you give yourself credit for.
I havenât yet met a ganker who hasnât at some point claimed their superiority. And itâs as easy as mining, thatâs why ganking and mining are examples of gameplay you can multibox a dozen times over. Youâve criticised PvE players a lot but there is certainly highsec PvE that is more challenging and with a greater risk than ganking. Taking on a FOB is one such example.
I donât even think CCP has numbers on who is a carebear or not. What we do know is that gankers hide in highsec calling other people who play in highsec carebears while refusing to take on any significant risks by hunting tougher targets.
Miners can literally save a bookmark and return to the exact same spot and carry on. Gankers are dependent on where the fleet warp dumps themâŚwhich can vary widely. My last gank, I arrived 18km from the targetâŚand I was the one assigned to warp scramble the target, with a scrambler with a range of 7.5km. So I was 10km short ! The miner had ample opportunity to get away as I desperately tried to come within rangeâŚbut he failed to make any move.
If the miner had been paying attention instead of watching Netflix, heâd have noticed my scout ship going round the belts looking for miners 10 minutes earlier. Heâd have noticed 4 Catalysts arrive at a NPC station nearby, if heâd been using d-scan. Even then he still had minutes in which to take action as the gank fleet did last minute checks. And even when the gank fleet arrivedâŚhe could have got away as most of the gank fleet arrived too far away.
Our gank fleet snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. âSuperiorâ ? Nah. Better at the cat and mouse game than the miners ? Definitely. The miner has just one jobâŚto pay attention. Many canât even manage that.
Then whoever warped you is the worst. Even warping a large fleet of gankers so far off target requires a very particular lack of skills but to warp a small group that far off is crazy. Are you sure whoever was warping you wasnât deliberately trying to make you fail?
Yeah, I know, you think everyone should only pay attention to EVE. but this isnât about whether or not you like how miners choose to balance risk, itâs about whether or not ganking is a hunter/prey dynamic, or one type of carebear getting easy kills on another type of carebear while both hide in highsec. Gankers are not superior in any way, theyâre the same as highsec miners, looking for low risk, easy content.
Thatâs why you do it too, right? Youâve made a point of telling people how infrequently you lose ships and how you now have a big stockpile of ships. All that tells me is that you are risk averse. You will avoid content if it has a high risk of causing you a loss.
LolâŚyouâve obviously never warped right into the middle of a bunch of large asteroids. Itâs a wonder all 3 ships did actually end up on the kill. I did well to make up the gap and scramble the Retriever and apply some DPS.
Meh. Those ultra brave people in 100 man lowsec and nullsec fleetsâŚwhereâs the pressure on them to score ? I mean, I see a good deal of your own killboard consists of large fleets and you getting what killboard records as 0 as it is so small. Not much pressure on you, eh ? Does anyone even notice if you get zero ? Are there âElizabet scored nothing againâ comments in fleet chat ? I doubt it.
On the other hand, in a 3 person gank fleet I have to score. I have to scramble that miner as the fleet is relying on it. If I mess up then it gets noticed. So the pressure is far larger.
Lol. Only a dummy deliberately makes themselves vulnerable or has fights they know they are going to lose. For example I have hauling small but expensive stuff down to a fine art. Why would I want to take the risk when I can all but eliminate it ? Thatâs not risk averseâŚits clever.
Of course I have. Claiming you bounced off of asteroids doesnât excuse a poor FC.
Where did I say they are ultra brave or that the pressure is on?
I donât even know what youâre trying to say here. What is recorded as 0?
Itâs hilarious how you originally used to attack people with âYou have no killboardâ. Now youâre going with âyour killboard isnât passing some quality metric Iâve made upâ.
Itâs not about having fights you know you are going to lose. You run away from fights if you might lose.
This is just like when you were claiming youâre amazing at using a mouse. Itâs not amazing, itâs not an art. Anyone can move small expensive stuff in safety, it takes very basic knowledge of EVE.
You are the polar opposite of Gix Firebrand.
Heâs male youâre female.
He loves ganking and you hate it⌠itâs like looking at the two sides of a coin.
And you both never drop it ever until the thread is locked then you start over in another thread
Iâm sorry itâs hilarious how yâall keep lobbing crap at each other yet you keep at it, like a snowball fight
I donât hate ganking. I just donât think itâs as important as some people on this forum seem to think it is. I think it should probably stay in but would not be the end of the game if CCP continued to move away from it. Itâs low tier PvP.
Itâd be like if CCP removed highsec ratting anoms, annoying to the few people that do them but uneventful in the grand scheme of things.
Apologies, didnât mean to put words in your mouth.
I think ganking is fine. CCP is trying to balance the game to make it fairer so of course some people will be rattled.
I personally wished they fixed the game before they fixed PvP.
I donât know if it would be the end of the game but it would sure be a sad day.
Iâm not saying it would be the end of the world but, unlike ratting, ganking and PvP permit players to duke it out in space and take the spoils. Thatâs awesome, I loves me a pirate!
I donât know many games that give what EVE gives. I tried Elite a few months ago but I didnât like it.
I was there. You werenât. It is just tiresome the way you pull some invented straw man narrative out of a hat because you can never, ever, be wrong about anything so have to make stuff up.
What a load of invented trolling nonsense. You have no idea what I do. Again you just invent some straw man narrative like trolls usually do.
âThere is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.â