CCP What are you going to do now you have removed the only Decent HK ship which was the tengu.
How are we going to efficiently catch nullbears without the use of 20 afk campers?
The Tengu was cancer, both in pve as pvp. Itâs still fine, just not leagues above the rest.
Iâd say that for HK the legion and loki are now quite nice and the prot works fine as well. If youâre being realistic about stats, that is.
what about the sp loss
kk logged in and found I have 230k skill points bonus wise in training . assuming they changed something or did something so more people would have to pay to retrain the same skill called something different? like the fighter bombers? lol took me 6 months a video and about 500 tickets to get those skill points back , I donât even play the game anymore none of the players I started with or at anytime play the game anymore but I do keep 1 guy training on 1 account ( down from the 12 I had originally) everytime I log in something is changed or something is offline in a ship I fly I undock get 1/2 way to jita to sell that 103$ worth of plex I bought and bam somethingâs not fit right ect ( so I stopped buying plex ) I went from playing everyday all day to 1-2x a month buying 100 in plex every month to logging in every few months on a 15$ sub plan only to train skills - hereâs an idea if you change a skill that we already have trained rename the skill give us credit for it and let us already train it to the previous level . feels like all I do is retrain stuff ive already trained just cause you rename it something else .
I didnât know merely posting actively in a thread counts as âwhiningâ, king of logic right there.
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wow , ya I didnât even look at the nerfs ect for tengu , they should just give everyone that joins the exact same copy of the loki or proteus and say here , heres what you use for ganking high sec people in eve , wait wheres all the high sec people ah ya they were all caldari and theyre gone now , all thatâs left are the free players who gank high sec people ⌠maybe we can add more npcs that sit around for those players that like to gank high sec players that enjoy mining ect , wait they already did ⌠lol
Die less
Deal with it
Stop using them
Those are your options.
So my 3 dedicated perfect tengu accounts are now worthless. GreatâŚ
precisely
for all the crap youve been giving me in this thread
your argument boils down to what ive been saying the whole time
So if itâs that simple, why the 17 bazillion replies in this thread?
why do you care
you dont even read it
I did. Itâs mostly a âtheyâre crap now, this shouldnât beâ and then a hole lot of pouting. So again, you state you donât really care but you somehow do.
Youâre the typical whiner who doesnât like his toys nerfed even though itâs obvious that they should be nerfed and will now use hyperbole, sulking and misdirection to try and get your way. Right down to âwhat about SPâ loss, trying to somehow negotiate with inevitability.
Itâs really simple: Being versatile, with the tools the ships have, the bonuses that they have the ships are special. Special does not mean âbetter at everythingâ and that is what this rebalance thing was about: making them special, not necessarily better.
Being special comes with pros and cons, one con is SP loss and Iâm fine with that. Is that an arbitrary decision? Sure it is but special ships have special downsides and apparently people are fine with it because T3C are used a lot.
Deal with it and stop pretending you donât care, you do: itâs why you post so much. And Iâll leave it at that.
where did i say i didnt care
if you read my posts most of them are about the whole ship meta in general
the only thing i whined about was the drone bay getting smaller
so once again
youre putting words in my mouth
and talking garbage
you really are a waste of time
no wonder youre a school janitor
Itâs mostly the whole, âGRRR! I donât want to have to relearn something I already know how to use,â bit. Splitting up the UIâs controls so some appear at the bottom while the rest remains at the top is a questionable call, but the rest of it seems fine.
Ok now I know your blowing smoke.
Firstly, neither of those numbers you just quoted are even possible on the old tengu, nor do they match up with how much the agility and warp speeds actually dropped. Your 17s number actually is closer to the current travel time for 50au, but still to low. Unless of course youâre using high-grade acsendencies (which is likely something you aught to mention), but that still doesnât reach your first 10s claim. Iâm still curious what math you used to achieve that number.
And secondly, when you started your claim that the bonus was gone, I simply told you it wasnât. You adamantly refused to believe that something could exist even if it was altered. Once you start to bring in other factors the situation changes, as I noted already. However, that doesnât mean a single bonus is effectively removed if another factor changes. Just because one value helps another, doesnât mean they are inherently tied together. Having their tank or agility nerfed doesnât make their dps bonus effectively removed.
The UI inconsistencies is just part of it and area symptom of a bigger issue at CCP where t seems there is no overal UI deesign playbook and different teams will mostly just build on what they believe to be good. Thereâs so much wrong with it, it would take quite a while to rehash but that has been done several times.
Bottom line is that it appears fine for occasional and new players (which was probably the idea) but it breaks and in fact slows down the workflow for those of us who use it often with no way to work around or fix.
It might be good to set up a discussion topic for this issue but that would really be pointless as CCP would not bother with it anyway.
These all suck. T3 should be versatile, these bonuses are way too focused on pvp. That is all.
Thatâs where youâre wrong good sir⌠You see thereâs this thing called a TOS which you agree to⌠CCP doesnât owe you a damn thing. If you donât like it THAT much then quit playing otherwise ya just gotta learn to adapt.
Iâve been in the same exact position you were in back when the big speed nerf happend⌠ceptors no longer could go 13-16k a sec
vagabonds no longer could go super fast as well etc.
Thereâs many things that have been changed over the years and yea a lot of people quit most of the time but the rest of us just adaptâŚ
By the way you word it you could technically take this whole thing and import it to another game like World of Warcraft for example⌠where every year or 2 or what ever they completely change the entire skill tree system and glyphs or rune system
people put a lot of effort into learning what ever class they enjoy whether it be Dark Knights or Warriors or Rouges and then Blizzard just comes alone and changes it all?? well damn I paid for the game I should get a refund then cause itâs not what I like anymore⌠you realize how fast a company would go out of business if they just started giving everyone their money back?
Welcome to MMOâs.
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While I was initially disappointed with the numbers on SISI for the Tengu -particularly with the (superficial) cut to shield tank, I have to say CCP⌠Bravo! A friend shared me some fits -just before I was about to reprocess the ships in protest⌠And I felt like a fool!
The ship is very very capable and suited to my needs and the needs of our Corp.
Hard to say, but I am sorry for all of the (mostly constructive) criticism regarding the T3 Cruisers. I was dead wrong.
Keep up the amazing work (oh and PLEEEEZ donât nerf any aspect of the Tengu as it stands. I donât need salvage that bad after all, nor faster align time w/nullification, and I am completely satisfied with the tank now. Shes an expensive bird all purple fitted but worth every ISKer. The DPS is fair and vulnerabilities grow predictably with increased DPS, as it should for fairness too. I am so glad I didnât reprocess and extract my skills!
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