Left because of wardec

You don’t know what you are asking for!

Right now wardecs are a tool the players may use however they wish. It is a simple game mechanic, you pay ISK, CONCORD looks the other way one week.

What you are asking for is Fozzy Sov for wardecs, seriously. Do you really think it is a good idea that CCP engineers some kind “win mechanic” and transforms free form wardecs into some kind of “minigame” over night with a fixed purpose which has nothing at all to do with what actually happens in the sandbox.

No, this is all complete BS

What CCP should do is what they did years ago when they looked at the sandbox as a kind of enabler. They should provide more tools for both sides so the narrative and game play of the war remains an emergent property and not some shitty minigame.

For example fix locator agents so they provide intel about active targets. Give the defender the possibility to interfere with the locator service so they can hide. Stuff like that.

EDIT:
I think there are multiple reasons about why people wardec other people. Fun may be one aspect, but what always fascinated me in EVE was that the whole merc aspect actually works, in that peasants pay you to brutalise other peasants, it is also fascinating because in there is something for carebears and wardecers alike.

So another tool could be an expansion to the contracts system but not directly tied to the wardecs mechanic. So for example one group of miners hates another group and wants them to be gone from the ice field. So they create a contract that says, reduce the amount of mined ore by that alliance, corp or list of characters to 50% of the previous week. They set some amount of money you get if that happens and some sum for penal damages if you fail the contract.

This is only an example. Wardecs would be one option to try to fulfil such a contract, to gank or bump them another, infiltration yet another one. All parties should see the conditions of the contract, so the targets may be motivated to make the contract fail.

There could be any number of such contract conditions:

  • Mining amount
  • Drive them away from a region
  • Desolve Corp or reduce member count
  • Destroy amount of ISK
  • Remove specific Deployable

It doesn’t really matter if much of that makes even sense. The important thing is that it is a free-form tool and not some given minigame CCP dreams up and thinks that is good gameplay, because let’s be honest, they are terrible at that. This enables stuff to happen in the sandbox in an emergent way.

Maybe this idea is complete ■■■■ because of some obvious reason I completely missed. But that wasn’t the point of the post. The point was again, that there should be more tools to enable emergent gameplay and less fixed shitty minigames.

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Or you could get immunity by making it so god dam painful to declare war on you that they stop doing it. Honestly just ■■■■ with a mercs kill this structure contracts on a regular basis and see if they don’t forget to renew your wardec lol

Not sure what you mean with that. As stated above this would not be tied to wardecs. It is just an additional tool for people to formalize stuff to get done, like the original contracts system with items.

If you just want to wardec for any other reason or for no reason at all that should still be possible.

oh ■■■■ I didnt even see your post… that was at your replying to raz and I opened his post you replied to and read that. ill read your actual post now… :smiley:

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Alright my actual reply to this post and not RAZ from Bob knows when…

THIS

The win conditions on war are what you make them. We once had a group offer to surrender to us for 5BIL isk (they thought they were asking for it). I funneled 4bil isk into their corp wallet when all their members were offline until we could accept the offer of their surrender. We spent the next week or 2 rubbing it in their face until they declared again. We won. They said we lost because we ‘ran away’. We were both right. I was more right though we really did win in every sense of the word :smiley:

If this really is a game then why are people like you so emotional about the mechanics? Why not just accept its only a game?

Youre one of the people taking it seriously. I’ve looked at your responses and you want mechanics changed. Its funny cos I am happy to accept the mechanics as they are, yet here you are telling me I take the game too seriously.

When I say eve is serious business I just mean it is a great way to spend free time, i love SciFi and eve is a great representation of what SciFi is.

You’re quite rude actually you tell me to get out more yet you don’t know anything about my real life. If anyone is taking things too serious here its you.

Good rant!

Hehe, If you read my quote correctly it clearly states that IF there should be implemented any win condition TO END A WARDEC

How will this be a minigame? Why is there a war report in the first place?
And FYI, I dont personally mind war mechanic being left alone, I’m just trying change the focus from tying it to structure to end a war… win the war instead.

This is one of my old suggestion doing exactly what you proposed, aka giving tools to the defender so they can hide.

I have also dreamed about merc contracts with conditions (my hope was crushed when CCP came with their version of Mercenary marketplace) and after discussing it… if you implement alot of conditions to a war you also open up for a a lot of ways it can be broken aswell. Oh… and giving a shitload of conditions in the contract takes away from the emergent gameplay that is the mercenary community.

Ive read your older proposal linked above, and your newer one.

Neither of them is ever going to be implemented.
They are riddled with loopholes and require far too many complex changes to supplant the current mass wardec situation.

The irony, is that none of your proposals actually involve “merc contracts with conditions”, as is your stated case.

I would recommend you formulate a proposal based on that.
Your two other proposals, dont do that,

If you want a “merc contract with conditions” then design a system specifically for that.

I love you to man :heart:

Edit: I seem to recall someone said we could just “combine raz and my suggestion as they are the same”? (from discord after you read my docs)
Changed you views?

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Ok, probably misinterpreted the intention of your post yes :slight_smile:

Yes it could be abused and be used to scam people in horrible ways. I consider that a feature. But I don’t think that would actually be a problem for the actual mercs, since they can dictate how the contract should look they are willing to accept, kinda like the hauling services do with the hauling contracts. After all if people want stuff get done they will still look for the people with the reputation to actually achieve the goal and there are only a hand full of those and they still can dictate the conditions.

I dont recall that, or it being intended as such.
I read your proposal then, and found it unworkable.
At best, I was being “nice” towards it, cos I respect the merc profession.
Doms proposal is very similar to my mine, yours was not.
Imo, you are barking up the wrong tree and defeating your own stated purpose.

Your impetus was changing wardecs, rather than segmenting merc action off it, as was your stated purpose now, via “merc contract”.

One of the quotes :wink:

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Inb4 I’m not Nullist comments

“By and large”, and with not just that one exception. Others remained unmentioned.
I was taking a soft touch, out of deferment to you as the apparent “leader” of the merc interest in that channel, and because I was new in it.

I cant remember if that quote applies to a statement of yours in chat, or to the proposal entire.

In any case, I atm dont see either of your proposals as workable, nor serving the purpose of a “merc contract” which now seems to be your impetus.

ok… I’ll enlighten you
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Yeah, as I suspected.
It did not mean agreement to what you think it did.

Furthermore, I no longer agree with even that, nor does it serve a “merc contract” as your stated goal here.

CCP will never implement your proposal as it stands now.

Barking up the wrong tree.

ok, I’ll bite… whats this “serve as a merc contract” you talking about?

See the bolded above.

As to what that means, well, you tell us.

Read the rest of the sentence you quoted man…

I’ve dreamed about it, but I also realized it will break things even more.
Oh and its totally unrelated from my document, it was a response to Ima_Wreckyou. Telling him I also had those dreams… in the PAST.

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Wardecs are nor tied to structure destruction, only to the initiator stopping to pay for it,