Let’s talk about suspect flags for T4/5

@Herzog_Wolfhammer dude is sad that concord destroys his tornado when he ganks abyssal runners in hs

yeah, this basically.

“Concord should stop protecting people who do more than 200 M/h” .

Seriously ?

Lets see: of the people in this thread lately, who has spoken truth and who have lied so far. As is proven by a random 3rd person? And who are scared to have a moronically out of whack risk vs reward pve option taken away from them?

As stated earlier in the thread, I don’t care if they lower the rewards or increase the risk as long as risk vs reward is balanced again. The problem is that you can’t really lower rewards because value of said rewards is affected by the demand for them which won’t be affected.

So it’s better to increase the risk, also because (as again, said earlier) the whole concept of abyssal space is outside the sandbox due to instancing, so increasing sandbox risk upon return from that instance is a logical solution.

People will of course not like anyone getting in between their easy isk/h and will use all kinds of nonsense stories and lies to try and cover it up. They’re like SJW, crying and calling everyone nazi’s.

Sac Ive always preferred but Ive never managed to get the DPS up high enough for any proper risk motoring.

Still probably my favourite cruiser after Arby though

sure, because when you are out of argument it’s common knowledge it’s the time to use personal attacks.

cry moar.

if the risk is increases, then people will just stop doing it. That’s the reason why they removed the flag in the first place
You are ALREADY at risk doing T4/T5 in a ship that costs billions.

Show me where I ran out of arguments. When stating facts, backed by someone who tried it and found the same?

in this thread.

You just have no argument. That’s why you need to make personal attacks.

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Dude just frickn get 5 catalyst and gank the thing
Highsec people simply won’t do those tears if they get flagged for it.
I wouldn’t do it at all without my super camping the trace so be glad you have tragets in hs :smiley:

Right about here

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Apparently you don’t, as is proven by someone who normally doesn’t do PVE, never has done ANY abyssal site can do it fairly easily in a non-silly expensive ship and make bank.

and does not do it on a regular basis …

The less you know, the more you talk ?

yes, that’s what I stated. So has NEVER done it and just sailed through fine. Apparently it’s not that difficult if you have a working brain. Of course income is RNG but so far her findings are way more in line with MY statements than other’s.

that’s exactly what I said : you have actually no idea.

I already explained why this argument is bad.

she got 50mil and an overpriced skillbook wich will be worth 5 mil at best once its no longer fresh
thats not in line with your statement

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she also stated she didn’t bring an MTU so missed out on stuff. So it’s in line with my statements in regards to difficulty, ship/pod cost and mostly inline with my statements on income.

And certainly NOT in line with clown statements about 6 billion ships, terrible risk and bad loot.

she probably would have died if she waited for the mtu :smiley:

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nope it’s not.

it’s funny how you allow yourself to take an extra lucky run and use it as average, also increasing the value that you can find.

people who farm are not gambler. They take an AVERAGE value, not the maximum possible best case.

This example is bad because it’s exactly the opposite : ONE run means nothing at all.
Just like if I dropped two pith c-type invul from a ded4 and used it as an argument to say “ded 4 runners do 600M in 10 minutes, that’s 3b6 per hour”. That’s complete nonsense.

and let’s not forget your attribution bias of 'if they can’t do it it’s because they are bad" which is shown by your use of “carebear” whenever we talk about people who lost ships.

You’re very correct on that. Still, if the lies about difficulty and cost are so easily disproven then what are the chances that the people who claimed those lies also lied about income?

And on top of that I KNOW what you can make, on a decent average.

what’s been disproven is your ability to make stats.

No you don’t.
When you claim that an exceptionnal loot is a corect value, you definitely have no idea.

in short : you are talking out of your ass.

I’m not claiming that it is, never did. I’m claiming that 100 mil a site is a decent average.

Have you ACTUALLY been paying attention or are you doing your normal faceroll trolling?