Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux!

[Wanee]

@Ramona_McCandless

Then in what way is it affecting you?

Seems odd

I agreed, seem odd - isn’t it. Somehow it does. BO definitely affecting a small group / Corp in many way.

Well, I cannot speak for the others. But for me, I play MMO or joined a Corp for more than one reason. One of which is the social aspect of the game / Corp. My Corp is mix between EUTZ and USTZ folks.

Currently there were not many get on or on for a bit and logged off not doing anything much like they were prior.

Not fun seeing local and Corp tab are blank. Folks still can chit chat with Alpha level account. Why pay when you can chit chat with Alpha account level?

Beside there is still Discord app we could use while we are not in the game.

CCP can take away local or whatever, but CCP cannot take the friendship away.

[bluechimera]

It’s not just a simple geography but the number of killed NPS, the amount of ore dug up, the degree of industrial and military level says what and where.

[Onictus]

Indeed, you will find they tend to co-exist though

[Ramona_McCandless]

Then I think Im glad I have none to take away.

[uhnboy_ghost]

so have there been any official news about how long this “test” will run? (more then some pod cast etc?)

Edit: not a bot or wormholer btw

[Ganz_Solo]

What always bothered me with EVE was the one-sided combat if i got tackled in my mining ship / ratting ship. I just sat there and died - no chain of actions where the outcome was uncertain.

The BLACKOUT is good. But they have to change the way how mining ships / ratting ships work. Maybe introduce heavy combat mining ships at a higher cost or ratting ships that can switch stance between pve and pvp fits.

[Mizhara_Del_thul]

For ratting you already can. You either fit for max ticks or you rat in a PvP fit with smaller ticks but the ability to fight off tacklers etc. That’s not even the main way to defend yourself anyway, whether you’re ratting or mining.

Please start remembering that this is a massively multiplayer game. Damn near everything in it is balanced around that particular feature. You get tackled in your mining ship? Well crap, maybe that’s when you should have banded together with other people, and together you can:

1. Have scouts and intel networks.
2. Have anti-tackle and anti-bomber protection (a few dessies paying attention will pretty much neuter both).
3. Have a standing/defense fleet come to your rescue if the above two fails.

etc etc

Combat in Eve is only one-sided if you allow it to be. It’s on you to even the odds, or turn them in your favor through superior numbers, or tactics, fits, ship doctrines or what have you. Moon mine under structures that can fend off small gangs, and that’s another bit of “safety” in place, and so on. 1 versus 1 though? In an MMO that has always been Rock, Paper, Scissors. In Eve, every person you add to each side of a fight evens that out.

@N3tRunn3r

There is an increase in player count since the BlackOut has started, not even a playerbase loss. Double check your facts.

When you also take into account the amount of bots that have vanished from the traditional botting lands of Eve, this is pretty remarkable. Pretty much steady player numbers throughout Blackout, when all those bots are awol? We don’t have anywhere near enough granular data to draw certain conclusions until CCP releases some with more variables than we have so far, but it’s an interesting indication, isn’t it?

[Sgt_Ocker]

@Mizhara_Del_thul

If you want to be in a small null group, you have to play accordingly.

No you are absolutely wrong.
I don’t “have” to play at all. My leisure time is mine to use as i choose, I in this case choose to not “adapt” to a change administered by a fool with no insight into the game play he is attacking.

I don’t want to have to rejoin a blob, been there done that didn’t like it.
I’m tired of CCP pandering to the blobs with things such as blackout. it is without doubt the biggest kick in the nuts CCP has delivered to smaller groups for a while and one i don’t have the time or energy to deal with.

I’ve been playing this game for just over 15 years, I took a year off because it became a second job i didn’t want - I’m not prepared to have a game add more stress and take up more of my time than i want to put into it.
I’d rather spend my time fishing than spend more time and put more effort into a game that has nothing to offer me but stress and stagnancy.

The fundamental aspect of the game - PVP - Is broken and all CCP can come up with is something that will eventually create a more stagnant environment.

As for solo Supers PVPing - Do you actually play the game?
Try looking at Zkill, it may not be as common as it used to be but does still happen.,.
It is the blobs of Supers that are the whole problem with nulsec right now - If you can’t see that i don’t know what game it is you play - Maybe you should take up fishing.,.

Finally; your suggestion is that players like me become part of the problem instead of pushing CCP to find solutions - If CCP can’t find a solution that doesn’t require so many players joining one of the blobs so they can be safer, then the game is no longer worth playing.,.

Era Of Chaos - Will only lead to larger, stronger, wealthier blocs, who will have even less reason to go to war.
Sorry but that isn’t an Eve I want to be a part of.,.

[Mizhara_Del_thul]

You seriously need to start reading the posts you are responding to, because you’re saying the dumbest things.

@Sgt_Ocker

No you are absolutely wrong.
I don’t “have” to play at all. My leisure time is mine to use as i choose, I in this case choose to not “adapt” to a change administered by a fool with no insight into the game play he is attacking.

Then you won’t be in a “small null group” then, will you?

@Sgt_Ocker

I don’t want to have to rejoin a blob, been there done that didn’t like it.
I’m tired of CCP pandering to the blobs with things such as blackout. it is without doubt the biggest kick in the nuts CCP has delivered to smaller groups for a while and one i don’t have the time or energy to deal with.

No one’s told you to rejoin a blob. You’ve just been informed that if you want to faff about with Rorquals, you’re going to have to be able to defend that. If your current group can’t defend that, then you should probably just not use the Rorqual. Downgrade to something you can defend or afford to lose.

@Sgt_Ocker

I’ve been playing this game for just over 15 years, I took a year off because it became a second job i didn’t want - I’m not prepared to have a game add more stress and take up more of my time than i want to put into it.
I’d rather spend my time fishing than spend more time and put more effort into a game that has nothing to offer me but stress and stagnancy.

Good man. Go have fun.

@Sgt_Ocker

The fundamental aspect of the game - PVP - Is broken and all CCP can come up with is something that will eventually create a more stagnant environment.

Vague and generalized statement with no specifics as to what aspect is broken, nor any ideas as to how it could be fixed. Not very useful.

@Sgt_Ocker

As for solo Supers PVPing - Do you actually play the game?
Try looking at Zkill, it may not be as common as it used to be but does still happen.,.
It is the blobs of Supers that are the whole problem with nulsec right now - If you can’t see that i don’t know what game it is you play - Maybe you should take up fishing.,.

You can’t possibly be so stupid that you don’t understand that JF ganks, drive-by lances and so on are not exactly representative of your average roam or camp, are you? Well, you go straight on to a non-sequitur about the super proliferation as if it’s relevant to that argument, so perhaps.

Yes, if you’ve been paying attention you’ll have noted that I and many others have covered the super proliferation issue many a time already. It’s not particularly relevant to this particular discussion.

@Sgt_Ocker

Finally; your suggestion is that players like me become part of the problem instead of pushing CCP to find solutions - If CCP can’t find a solution that doesn’t require so many players joining one of the blobs so they can be safer, then the game is no longer worth playing.,.

Okay, you’re deficient. I have in several posts now provided suggestions for how to go on without joining the Goons or whoever the sod else. I assume you’re just ignoring it because you’re hellbent on being able to Rorqual mine in perfect safety without having to have defenders on your side, but the fact still remains: You can mine and thrive in nullsec just fine without joining “the blob”. Just play accordingly. Make your mining ops scaled to your capabilities as an organization.

Expecting to be able to Rorqual mine without having to put in the work, effort and numbers to safeguard it is frankly insultingly entitled.

@Sgt_Ocker

Era Of Chaos - Will only lead to larger, stronger, wealthier blocs, who will have even less reason to go to war.
Sorry but that isn’t an Eve I want to be a part of.,.

Toodles. If you can’t thrive as it is now, you weren’t worth much to begin with.

[bluechimera]

why do you smoke there? You explained that people would follow the path of least resistance or spit on the game and leave or join the Goons. Then don’t whine why there isn’t PvP and the Goons will throw 1000,500 supers at you .

[Mizhara_Del_thul]

@bluechimera

why do you smoke there?

Well I tried steaming and it got kind of humid, and then I tried smoking somewhere else and was informed this is no longer “cool”. I’m running out of options, it seems. If you have a question that makes sense in English though, I’ll happily help.

@bluechimera

You explained that people would follow the path of least resistance or spit on the game and leave or join the Goons.

Did I now? Perhaps you should read the posts again. I put forth several options for people to thrive in nullsec, all of which basically can be summed up as “do whatever makes you happy, just make sure you scale yourself to your organization’s capabilities”. If people are going to start crying and leaving because they want to Rorqual mine but can’t defend it, then I don’t see what worth they ever were to neither the game nor nullsec in general.

@bluechimera

Then don’t whine why there isn’t PvP and the Goons will throw 1000,500 supers at you .

People who are leaving because they can’t Rorq mine without an umbrella were never going to contribute to the PvP scene to begin with, and the goons are already throwing unbelievable amounts of supers at people. Blackout has hardly done anything to change this.

[bluechimera]

It’s funny how a high sec resident teaches the lives of null sec . I suggest you first move yourself to live in null sec in conditions BLACKOUT .
And to be honest, you need to turn off all statistics on strategic and military development of the system and Dotlan map .

[Mizhara_Del_thul]

@bluechimera

It’s funny how a high sec resident

Yeah you need to scroll a bit further back than that, dear. The only part of Eve I haven’t really spent time with on Miz here is Abyssals, and this is one out of nine accounts.

[Arrendis]

@N3tRunn3r

Though, a real fact is that there are still about 30k players online on every weekend, just as usually for years.

Well, except that’s not quite accurate.

This weekend peaked at 30k users, right where the peak normally is. That’s been consistent with the Sunday peak during the Blackout, which has run from 29.1k to 31.8k. That’s a median weekend peak of about 30.45. Now let’s look at before the Blackout…

Immediately before:
June: 29.8-33.2 — Median: 31.5 So far, we’re looking good for your claim. Not perfect, but a single 3% fluctuation isn’t enough to get our knickers twisted if it comes back and hews closer to 30k. But you said ‘for years’… soooo…

May: 33.4-36.1 — Median: 34.75.
April: 30.8-33.4 — Median: 32.1
Mar: 34.2-36.3 — Median: 35.15
Feb: 34.4-37.4 — Median: 35.9
Jan: 36.5-37.7 — Median: 37.1

Now, sure, again, you could say ‘ok, but that’s only a variation of 6k…’ but that’s also a variation of 20%. So it’s demonstrably not true that we’ve been ‘about 30k players online every weekend’, unless you’re defining ‘about 30k’ broadly enough that you could be saying ‘about 30k’ even if we’d peaked at 23k.

And yes, Summer is always lower. However, if we look at last August, we see that on Mon, Aug 13 at 14:30, we were at 24k and trending upward. Right now at 1500 we’re at 21k. The non-DT trough at 0600 today put at at a baseline of 15.5k. A year ago: 17.9 at 0600 on the 2nd Monday of August. That’s a 15% drop, year over year.

@Ramona_McCandless

Then in what way is it affecting you?

Probably in the same way it’s decimating Provibloc: smaller groups that could survive, and felt like they were able to operate with only a reasonable amount of exposure, don’t anymore. The bigger groups are still reasonably sure that they can operate within the same basic levels of exposure they’d had, so they don’t really give a damn.

If the smaller groups didn’t have any options, they’d eventually adjust. But they do have options. They can exercise the same option people were using against HS wardecs, for years: Just go play something else.

When people did it in High Sec, CCP got yelled at to fix the problem.
When people do it in null, the players get yelled at for daring to want to spend their time doing something they enjoy.

Well, I say: good on them. If EVE isn’t something they’re enjoying, don’t pay CCP for EVE. It’s the only thing they listen to.

[bluechimera]

That’s it, dear, it was before disabling local chat .
Just another month of such a blackout and the Goons will persuade me to join one of their corporations.:ухмыляющийся:

[Mizhara_Del_thul]

@bluechimera

That’s it, dear, it was before disabling local chat .

Which makes no difference, because anyone with a brainstem can figure out how that changes things. Especially with a bit of experience throughout Eve.

In the end, these almost thirteen thousand posts are kind of pointless, because it can all be summarized like this:

Local providing instant intel was broken as hell. This is no longer the case. Adapt or unsub, no one cares which.
Good work CCP, but you still have a massive job left to do, so get to it.

[Arrendis]

@bluechimera

Just another month of such a blackout and the goons will persuade me to join one of their corporations.:ухмыляющийся:

Who says we’re recruiting during this?

[bluechimera]

They gave you examples that this one-sided blackout , was removed only the locale chat , while all the statistics remained and completely left and all the gankers see in real time where to fly .
Based on this, I suggest that the CCP remove the full payment for the game with PLEX and leave only payment with money.

[Xucca]

@Arrendis

Who says we’re recruiting during this?

I think someone said the applications multiplied… as for recruitment… what can I say. As much as you might enjoy my company in space, I’m not looking, Thank You!

[Mizhara_Del_thul]

@bluechimera

They gave you examples that this one-sided blackout , was removed only the locale chat , while all the statistics remained and completely left and all the gankers see in real time where to fly .

This is demonstrably false. It updates in ticks, not real-time. You’re also massively over-estimating the importance of the map. Any mong can look at a regional map and deduce where the bears are going to be. It’s not rocket surgery, or the bears wouldn’t have figured out where to go in the first place. Whining about the map while chumming the waters remains really daft.

If there’s some balancing to do with map intel, I personally think cynos popping on the map should be delayed by about thirty seconds or so. Super hunting is a little too easy as it is, but take that particular whinge with a bucket of salt because I haven’t actually devoted anywhere near enough brain time to it to consider it anything more than random thoughts as of yet.