You mean besides the increases in mineral and Ice prices.
yep , the HS guys are happy as clams with the price increases for minerals, indy happy with prices (in spite of tax increase) only losers so far are pilots buying ships and mods
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MER is in the oven and being âcookâ as we speak.
CCP is adding more I ingredient to make it looks more presentable on the dinner table 
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like that TV commercial where the chimps in the boardroom are all excited about the up trend on the sales chart until the human turns it right side up and shows the down trend. after a brief moment of sadness, the chimps rotate the chart again so it goes up, to much cheering and fanfare
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The ones that pre-date the Blackout? Yeah, besides those.
Notice when Trit starts spiking up? The end of May. Not July 12.
Hereâs the prices of Dark Glitter from March, when they were higher than todayâs 500,781.06 avg.
Bright Spodumain starts climbing in mid-JuneâŚ
So, yeah, besides the stuff that doesnât look like it had anything to do with the Blackout or CHAAAaaAaaOOOooOOOS!
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you never left ⌠to come back
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Yeah what ever you say.
On Jul 30, from my first post on this thread:
âAs long as an armada @ cyno range can project endless, fully operational assets, there is an evident higher ground aided by the absence of Local.â
It was an observation about the greatest flaw of BO and why I think it was âan existing niche feature applied to the wrong environmentâ. The second biggest issue was of course, the addition of cloak-cyno ability.
These issues were addressed on a single set of switches soon upcoming to a server near you.
Now, my question is: Is this a product of patching as a result of BO? Or, we can imagine this projection nerf without the Black Out?
And THAT is my point! There was no need of a BO as first switch to flip. I donât care how many people believe in CCP statements or bring biased factoid yadayada for reasons to âcoming back to EVE because there is a BOâ⌠all that is strict BS!. The Black Out has affected a portion, yes⌠but so negatively, that itâs consequences are percolating to everything and itâs not going so well.
We could be witnessing the same mistake again⌠to patch over bad moves as result of inability to swallow the pride and step back. In other words, it could be that the incoming cyno nerf has itâs place without the Black Out⌠OR âŚthat the BO will anchor up on subsequent arrangements just to make it permanent because âit was a great move but the player base or conditions (mechanics) need to adaptâ.
This could be the first real evidence of CCP actually working on it. But is this CHAOS, then? The answer is absolutely not. It could have been such a beauty if only this concept could be implemented in a way that capsuleers actually played part of it, with real actions as precursors of true chaos but instead, it was a simple, uncalculated stupid change on the environment and not the product of thinking about their customers, and being consequent with what they are paying for.
I think this chaos concept will not endure criticism and soon be discarded and forgotten. In the meantime, Iâll wait at the edge with my wallet securely in my pocket, until CCP straightens up and show their ability to work in their customers favor with creativity and discipline.
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Too lazy?.. (from Jul 30) here it is:
Nope. Neither one of these changes matters in the big picture of âhigh groundâ and stagnation. If anything, it just means thereâs less reason to risk the expensive stuff. And if it doesnât get risked, it doesnât blow up, so the rich stay rich, but now itâs harder still for people to catch up.
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Possibly, but Iâm not talking about big picture⌠or donât know what you mean by âbig pictureâ.
High ground is evident on a remotely potential battlefield scenario derived from PVE under attack, just the way BO exercised, hence the hesitation that led to current void or stagnation.
We all know that the big shots or perhaps big picture⌠were not affected. But it will change a bit when you consider that the projection capabilities are nerfed with this cyno change. This is why Iâll remain at bay. I can see that the only resource remaining as capbait would be SOV grinding which I suspect is next on CCPâs nerf list. (where is the chaos?.. pffft)
I agree with you if more or less that is what you meant by big picture and in my opinion, the ultimate arsenal (supercaps etc) should be the undocking shivers we once experienced. Gone will be the days of capdrop on friggots? Meh⌠there is still way too much room to improve.
I try to compare it all to RL Gambling Addiction⌠It happens that once you canât enjoy playing for cents, you are in your way through the funnel. Perhaps itâs healthy for the big shots to feel vulnerable again.
But the question remains⌠is this cyno nerf a band-aid over BO? Because it looks like it from where Iâm standing. And I knew from the start of the chaos crapscade, that more existing features were on the way through the layers. Yes, this time it was not as I imagined, that cynoing would affect hulls capabilities, just as when you go to some WH space, but it has a bit of resemblance, since the projection is now limited to some conditions. A small step.
What if the BO ends right now? The cyno thing would be in real trouble, me thinks⌠just because the potential cyno would be visible in local, or how many are there⌠It would be an increase in difficulty to drop at will, with the subsequent potential of retaliation and a scenario not even you can deny, would be alluring, fun to play and satisfactory.
Would anyone dare if the BO is over? I doubt it. So, now you know why I think this is the latest in band-aids over bad decisions and in consonance and continuity of all those truly chaotic issues with CCP.
Nothing in that aspect has changed so far.
I know in these forums we cuss and discuss the topic of the blackout. We argue, we agree, we insult each other, this is typical in these types of forums. But one fact remains that I would think that ALL of us can agree on!!
Why hasnât CCP offered a âGOODâ explanation for this blackout? So far they have been very vague with their explanations, ie âcreate chaosâ et al. We are paying good money to play this game and then CCP changes the rules and tells us nothing!
Why are you so silent, CCP? If we are paying to play this game you should AT LEAST have the decency to talk to us!
Why the blackout?
How long will this go?
What other changes are you going to make?
"TALK TO US CCP AND LET US KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON! ALL OF US ARE PAYING OUR HARD EARNED MONEY TO PAY YOUR SALARIES!!
GIVE US ANSWERS!!!
PLEASE!!!
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We all hate change. No other words are neededâŚ
Edit; Better source.
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When is local coming back online?
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Never .
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The core of EVE is ship combat.
CCP is making more opportunities for ship combat.
This is good.
They gave a 2 hour long interview about it with the CEO himself, then another 2 hour long interview with Rise. What more do you want?
What you meant to say was that you donât agree with the explanation given by CCP. Thatâs fine, you donât have to, but they did explain exactly what their goals were and why they settled on the changes they did.
Iâd wait to see the overdue MER before stating BO has been anything more than a gimmick.
Opportunities for combat get reduced severely if there is regions of empty space - Like there is now.,.
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i want have refund i pay 1 years subscrition before your black out i dont play since 13 july ccp never realy says something about this you are same like tief 4 account i pay before your black out i want get back my money i dont play anymore at your game because your change without explaination long time before ccp black out even i hope you will lost many players and remember its us who pay your salary ccp
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The current stagnation has nothing to do with any scenario involving âPVE under attackâ. The current stagnation is simple to understand. First, letâs take some very basic bits:
Groups are like Soylent Green: theyâre made of people. People develop long-standing grudges, rivalries, and antipathies. When groups develop these long-standing antipathies, they come into repeated conflict. They even actively look for ways to screw with one another. In EVE, this manifests as the major null blocs, all of which have half a decade or more of conflict with one another under their belts, basically wanting to pulverize one another for a number of reasons.
So the null groups want to go to war. Letâs keep that in mind. Some, like PanFam (sans Horde) like to consider themselves elite, like theyâre doing something difficult. Some groups actively hate those elitist groups. Still others just like pixel explosions, and the other big groups have the most pixels to splode. So, in the face of that, why stagnation? BecauseâŚ
- If you want to go to war with a major null bloc, you need to be able to actually do it. You need to have the capability to prosecute that war. As we have seen time after time now (most recently in Hakonen), even the biggest groups canât go and assault a supercapital power unless they bring considerable supercapital forces themselves.
- If you want to hold onto your space against an assault by a major null bloc, you need to have a supercapital forceâbecause they sure as hell do.
- If you want to build a supercapital force, you need to have space, because supercapitals can only be built in sov null.
So if you lose your supercapital fleet, you have an extremely limited amount of time before point 2 kicks in, and the vultures descend to attack your space. They donât need to burn you out of it, after all. They just need to blow up the ihubs and/or Sotiyos so point 3 works against you. Once you canât defend against them, theyâll go ahead and make sure you canât recover the ability to defend against them. It doesnât even need to be the same group all the time.
Example: If PanFam lost enough of their supercapital fleet that they couldnât effectively use it in defense against DeadCo, DeadCo might come in and start blowing up their Sotiyos and flipping IHUBs, just to make sure PanFamâs super fleet stays small and âmanageableâ. And when they eventually get tired, maybe Legacy comes up to do the same thing, because God knows PanFamâs screwed them over in the past. Then we take a turn at it. After all, at this point, weâve got 13 years of hate stocked up for those guys.
Now, itâs possible that through all of this, NC, PL, and Horde are keeping up with the maintenance, dropping new IHUBs, putting down new ECs, etc. Itâs possible. Itâs not likely, though. Theyâre going to decide not to throw good money after bad (see Tribute). If it keeps up long enough, or anyone cares to make enough of an effort, theyâll end up burned out of their space. And then, really, theyâre done.
Thatâs because you canât get new space without the kind of apex force they no longer have, and you canât rebuild that apex force without owning space. Look at xDeath and all the trouble the reformed RUS bloc has had claiming sov. Theyâre still sleeping on TESTâs couch, over a year after losing their space. And they still have a supercapital force, they just lost a small chunk of it during their move ops.
When we got burned out of the north, two things saved us: first, our enemies focused on settling in and securing their new space, rather than pursuing us to Delve. But more importantly: we retained our supercapital fleet. As much as NCPL wanted a B-R5RB rematch, we didnât give it to them, because letâs face it, us vs the MBC, weâd have lost the whole fleet[1].
So when we got down to Delve, we were able to swing right into conquering space. More, we were in a position to defend ourselves if need be. Anyone coming after us would have needed to move a large enough supercapital fleet to challenge ours, and nobody on their own was willing to take that risk of leaving their brand new space undefended.
Thatâs the stagnation, right there. If you lose your supercapital fleet, youâre pretty much done. Thereâs no recovering from it for years afterward, and even then, youâre playing catch-up. So nobodyâs going to risk losing their super fleet. Which means itâs available at home to squat like an oppressive buddha over any attempts to come in and be disruptive.
Thatâs the problem: EVEâs first rule is âonly fly what you can afford to loseâ, and while individual pilots may be able to afford to lose individual titans and supercarriers, but they can only afford that because the group wonât lose all of theirs. So theyâll retain the ability to replace it.
If the primary âapex forceâ was still regular capitals, all this goes out the window. You can build dreads and carriers in lowsec. You can buy them all over the damned place. But by making supercapitals something you canât really get in quantities unless youâve got the space to build them yourself⌠by making them something you canât effectively replace in a reasonable time-frame, CCP pretty much baked the current stagnation into EVE[2].
The Blackout just reduces PvE across null. The cyno changes will make it so fewer big capital fights where titans and supercarriers can die will happen. Neither one is going to end the stagnation, except maybe by driving players out of the game.
1 Over the years, a lot of people have attempted to paint this as a âdidnât want that space anywayâ-style deflection. Let me be clear: we wanted that space, and losing it hurt. But we wanted our supercapitals, too, and letâs face it, we could either lose one and keep the other, or lose both. Easy choice, really.
2 They guaranteed this would eventually happen, just as soon as supers got common enough. Even before they got common, they werenât being risked. It used to be news when a supercarrier or a titan died. That was because each one was enough of a strategic asset that just a handful of losses could cause an alliance issues.
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