Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux!

C’mon now. There’s no need to dump on new players. New players are great. It’s good that he’s enjoying the game. That’s what we all want out of it, after all.

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A 100 day old player who flies a stratios and a loki. I find this sad. Skill injectors made everything simple and worthless. Now all you need to invest to this game is money.

100 day old flying all those hulls and having such wonderful adventures in pretty much all scenarios and environments… Yeah, pretty new. He shows clearly no experience on EVE prior to those claimed 100 days.

The Nosy Gamer has taken a hard look at (publicly available) August statistics; some good post fodder here for all sides. (Hopefully “gudpost fodder”, but I think “lots of posts” is more likely.) The winner seems to be: highsec.

Stratios isn’t hard to get into. The longest train there is the Minnie Cruiser V for the Loki and… well, yeah, injectors. Said he had a friend in corp, right? Who do you think probably got him into the game? ‘Dude, buy some injectors’ isn’t exactly a stretch.

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We have a different conception of what a new player is.

Let me try to level that.
To me a new player is that, a new player.
A 100 day old with such “accurate” narrative construction and narrow scope can be too young for you, yes.

From a new player, I expect questions, not a lecture.

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I’m not really sure you can call that winning. But like Noizy, I’m waiting for the August MER. I expect it’ll be out in mid-November, the way CCP’s been trending.

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A)He’s not lecturing. He’s not even talking to you. He’s relating his experience, to CCP.
B)Who said he didn’t have questions? He’s just not asking here. Nor should he be.

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Ok, he’s not lecturing and don’t take powder as breakfast. I was being sarcastic and you should know it.

A love letter “relating his experience to CCP” could do much better, with paper envelope and a physical address.
This is a forum, not a poll. Expect scrutiny.

Why? I don’t know you. I don’t know when you’re being sarcastic and when you’re being stupid. Why the hell would I make any assumptions about the things you say?

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By reading.

I don’t know when you are being stupid either. I just suspect sometimes.

Well, either you’re not nearly as good at conveying sarcasm as you think you are, or you’re using ‘I was being sarcastic’ as a dodge after getting called out for being a prick. Sarcasm != snark. Sarcasm’s a subset of snark. Snippy, passive-aggressive bullshite like ‘I’d expect questions, not a lecture’ isn’t sarcasm. It’s just passive-aggressive bullshite.

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No, I don’t have such layered conversational construct, I like being a little more honest and when I say I was being sarcastic, it’s just plain old truth. Not the way you attempt to scaffold. Sorry if you can’t see the sarcasm. I’ll quote them for you from now on. “You can call me a prick anytime”, since you can only assume that I am being either stupid or sarcastic and no other way.

From a new player, I would expect questions. Not a “lecture”.

There! I guess I’m “stupid enough” to ask if we can be friends again.

Were we ever? Again: I don’t know you. I don’t care to know you. You’re some rando on the internet. And apparently, you’re a rando who doesn’t understand the difference between sarcasm and backpedaling to cover your ass.

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No, I was being “sarcastic”.

My point stands, you don’t need to like it or the way I put it.

For me, a new player is not this guy. He’s experienced and has lots of knowledge.

These days a 100 day old player is simply not new. All those enhancements, injectors, SP diarrhea, etc…
It’s just not new anymore.

Comparing the experience of 100 days of EVE in 2019 with the same in 2008, is not possible as finding a way or path within the game used to require planning and lots of time back then. Today, you just buy it.

Naming a few of the today’s possible activities to ensure survival in EVE doesn’t make the Blackout a good thing. It’s a narrow perspective which makes it valid from that single point of view. No matter how valid the point, to use it as reason to “leave the blackout the way it is” is not conclusive.

To me, showing all that knowledge and activity and at the same time lack of common sense is something I have to point out because I want those advocates of BO to take a look from another perspective, not just a narrow scope from an individual, selfish perspective.

It’s a fact that CCP used to have better business per capita (player) with the old fashion way. It was a commitment and enduring engagement that those 10+ yo had to climb with friends. Simply put, to get to what this guy did in 100 days today needed more time and money back then.

These points show part of what I think it’s wrong with the game and the chaos crapscade. I will not hesitate to point them anytime a perfect toon’s life tale surfaces endorsing the Blackout.

I am more than willing to be called a prick or whatever yadayada BS. Zero fucks given.

Your point’s still self-serving ■■■■■■■■, no matter how you try to rephrase it.

Yes, injectors and SP are a thing. Yes, they fundamentally change how fast a new player can get into certain ships. Yes, there is a wealth of information out there for some newbies, and yes, that can help them make informed decisions.

Being a new player has never been about what ships you can fly. It’s never been about how well-advised you are. 100 days into the game is still 100 days into the game. It’s still less than four months. It’s not enough time for them to have experienced anything in any real depth, and certainly not enough time for them to have gotten a good feel for the vast array of options EVE presents them.

We deal with newbies all the time. We educate them. We get them into decent ships. We give them the tools they need to be successful and informed. We even give them a skill plan that, without injectors or free SP, gets them into ships bigger than that Loki or Stratios in 54d. As an alpha.

They’re still new players, and they’ve still got that new player shine to them, where everything is neat and exciting and WOW!™. They still have little to no idea of WTF is actually going on. They’re still adorable little newbies, with a tiny little window into what’s going on and an eagerness to find out more.

At 100d? No, he’s not experienced. He doesn’t have lots of knowledge. Because the real knowledge of EVE isn’t SP, and it isn’t ‘what ship can I fly?’. It’s the been there, done that, started understanding how things work, and why they work that way that only comes with actually getting elbows-deep in the thing for months on end to see all the variations each and every playstyle offers up.

And no matter how much you want to shake your cane at the kids and yell at them to get off your lawn because dammit, you had it so hard, so they clearly shouldn’t enjoy not having to put up with all of the ridiculous crap we had to put up with… that’s not gonna change.

Now you’ve brought in ‘commitment and enduring engagement’… like someone who’s gotten some good advice at the start on how to train into a decent ship early on is automatically not going to make that commitment. If anything, the entitled geezer attitude is far more of a problem in EVE than newbies happily gurgling on about how much they really love their lollipop.

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people go in wormhole becours that is saver to do stuff
for me it can stop this black-out or I gone see what gonne go stop or move to high-sec

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And yours is strict yada bullcrap failed attempt to make a post relevant.

There!, you can just stop there.

The rest is just you regurgitating bullcrap to make a supposed 100 day old look like a noob.

ffs Arrendis, we have 4 day old effing Rorqual Pilots around. Don’t come with that bull again… this toon could be whatever days old and maybe you know him or have his wrist laced to your puppeteering, I don’t care! He symbolizes what is wrong with the game, period!. To me he is just an alt, or someone with prior knowledge of the game, or a renewed player, whatever…

Your personal attacks won’t change my mind simply because there is no point in discussing my attitude or behavior, or the way I post… that’s pure cherrypicking!.
If you don’t like it, shut the ■■■■ up! don’t become part of what’s wrong with this ■■■■ too.

We all understood that to you the concept of new player is just different, that’s it!

And I tell it to your face again, I am not trying to backpedal or rephrase any of all that crap you are pretending to elaborate. I’m saying it to your face: He is not new and you are full of it!.
He has to see it and revise his point of view and endorsement of the Blackout if only someone opens another window and he agrees to look at it.

I don’t care if they had it easy. I’ve been living with it, same as everyone else. It just happens that people from CCP state that chaos is to make it harder on experienced players and easier on your 100 day noob!

But the facts are the absolute opposite. They have been given la vida loca even if you don’t want to recognize it. It was CCP who empowered them not caring if they phucktup the game!, that’s it.
And now he celebrates the BO… loco! WHAT ELSE DO THEY WANT? they had it all without the effing BO. If he failed to find content, it’s effing CCP’s fault, not mine you &^^$#!
If he doesn’t feel that CCP could have done more and come with options that show discipline, dedication and procurement for the high quality product you and everyone else here expects, well we have a problem! and I feel that someone has to slap it on his face so I did.

Any noob, any player, anyone with remote contact with this game should stop advocating in favor of this crapscade and demand quality! Everyone with an inch of forehead knows the BO had no mind to it, that it was argumented afterwards! you don’t need me to show all that again!

It’s just two different opinions, yours and mine.

Keep it that way. and quit the bull vomit, will ya? let the noob speak for himself and we might see who’s the prick, for how I see it, we’re 3 candidates now.

100 days? If it’s someone who’s only been playing for 100 days, then they’re definitely a newbie at that point and they definitely know exactly sod all about Eve. Sure, the NPE has been slightly improved over the years and they’re not still suckling learning skills or looking up Willard Wheels at that point, but barring being part of a very well organized entity that trains newbies very well, they’ll have next to no understanding of the game that isn’t entirely superficial at best.

For heaven’s sakes, I’ve well over a decade in this game and there’s still aspects I’d be a newb in. I’m terrible at wormhole stuff for instance, and in Eve it’s quite simply a fact that if you haven’t lived an aspect of it for some time, you just can’t gain more than the most basic of understanding of it.

There’s arguments to be made on the subject of Blackout, newbies and older players, but you’re just rambling madly and being basically wrong about all of it, because you’re arguing from a standpoint that holds no water. Understand the vast and poorly defined limits between newbies, noobs, those who’ve finally learned enough in a wide enough field to understand where they want to be, and the veterans who’ve been everywhere (and in many cases aren’t learning more when they should), and so on.

You’re not going to make any headway in this argument until you do.