It doesn’t matter, he is just a sample. The point is this game has been favoring, artificially aging and enriching everyone and that’s what’s wrong. Not that he is noob or experienced or Tarzan’s mother-in-law… it’s not personal.
But the fact that as new toon, anyone can achieve “the game” in less than (insert your preferred number of days, given unlimited resources), is the problem and that no one should advocate for the BO without at least a revision of the real work, intention and ultimately, the quality of what the people in charge, are paid to produce.
There could have been a myriad of chances, ways to make the chaos something everyone would have loved to play part on but this crapoid fucktardness is going the other way and I still see people not having a solid base to lever that the BO effect on everything except non-cheating players was collateral, temporary and totally useless. Did you not hear Hilmar? Or you agree that he is full of it too?
I don’t give a *&^% if he’s any age. Him, Arrendis and you shouldn’t either. It’s a symbol, the final form all mistakes including this one has taken. There is nothing personal, nothing to do with numbers, ages, him…
The Blackout is a crapscade, a deception. It should be the icon of disappointment, not anything to be proud of or celebrate.
Hi Xucca, I love that you are playing Devils Advocate to my input. Once again I am learning, thankyou for replying.
I know that my experience probably has not a whole lot to do with the Meta argument here. But I thought I would add my story, it doesn’t really mean much to anyone but it does to me. And as I don’t have the experience in Eve to have valid argument for whether BO should stay or not, my little story is an example of why it is a good thing for anyone new like me who thinks it is adding value.
I’m sure you have a great story, if you could lay that out for me to read I would probably enjoy it. Along with so many other Vets here, you all would have a great story. But this one is myn so far, and adds just a little bit of value to the for or against argument for whether BO is good or not.
Of course now he has declared himself to Everyone and many will take the time to go looking for him - To show him how Eve works - His naive view of “enjoyment”, may be altered.,.
I like new players, I want them to succeed but when they start to compare their 100 days of Eve life to that of those who have spent 15 or more years here…
I don’t normally go out of my way to find new players for my enjoyment.
Seeing them busting one trying to make isk for their next ship while waiting for skills to train up isn’t something i enjoy hindering.
When I come across a guy, alone in space flying things he obviously paid for, that is a little different.
I won’t personally come looking for you as i’m trying to find ways to continue playing the game since CCP decided older players who have dedicated years to the game (before the instant gratification meta kicked in) aren’t the ones they want anymore.
NB; I’m happy you are enjoying the game, good for you - I’m not happy that it is part of your enjoyment that is so severely affecting MY game.
I understand that. Once again I would love to hear your stories , I love Eve that much it would be enjoyable to read. I really don’t mind if you come looking for me. If it gives you content and you get excited about the Hunt than please don’t be shy.
My story is that of many who have been around for years - Spend years training up characters, find a group to join to get the most out of my characters, etc.
Spend time on forums and other social media trying to improve things from my perspective - When CCP announce they are planning to do XXX and we as players can see XXX will only create issues down the line - FozzieSov, New Structures, Rorqual changes and more, we do our best to warn CCP of possible long term side affects, only to see a few years later - CCP decide “we” are the problem and they want to make it all harder for us.
I don’t belong to a Bloc group, I belong to a smallish sov holding alliance that is right now being forced to reconsider our options - We have already lost a third of our little group to one of the Blocs since BO began, lose many more we WILL lose our sov and those of us left will be homeless with limited choices as to how to proceed.
Forgive me if my question seems stupid, but how would one go about diplomacy towards your current threat ? Would it be enough to hold your Alliance together during BO?
It probably would but as most of us have done the Bloc group thing and found it not to our liking, it would really be a last resort and possibly lead to more leaving our group.
NB; We aren’t really under threat from any individual group, the threat is coming directly from CCP. If you can’t maintain ADM’s, you lose your sov and structures. With the coming cyno changes more pressure will be put on our group, many in our group now have families, jobs, lives outside Eve, we don’t have 40+ hours a week to dedicate to Eve anymore. CCP “making it harder” for older players is forcing many to reconsider how they spend their “free” time.,.
As for recruiting, those used to living in Sov Nul aren’t looking for a small group where they have to do more than just play “their” game. Instant gratification has a roll on affect - Even many experienced players will choose the easier option, large groups where they have little or no extra responsibilities.
Bloc groups are growing faster in size now than ever before - Because it is the “easiest” way to continue to play.,.
CCP is doing a great job guiding the meta toward fewer but even larger dominating groups
It has me planning my next adventure into the unknown with my dog and camper.
I’m turning 60 next month, am retired and if Eve becomes to hard to play with the time i want to put into it - I’ll go do all the things I’ve been planning for years.
I live in the most beautiful country in the world and there is a lot of it i haven’t seen yet - Maybe the time to do that is at hand.,.
PS; I’ve lost at least one of pretty much every class of ship in the game, I’ve been in fights that went on for many hours, I’ve amassed and spent trillions of isk - Losing stuff in Eve is easy and can be fun. Best fun i had in years was losing a Titan in lowsec on a move op.
The thing i would miss the most leaving Eve would be the many friends i’ve made over the years
Nobody’s going to lose everything. Not even the little groups. Dock capitals up in lowsec stations. Leave supers logged off in a low-sec safe spot or six. At the very worst, you’ll lose a few hundred billion. Nothing unrecoverable will be lost, because nothing unrecoverable will be risked.
The only thing that is really lost would be that sense of belonging to something you’ve put a lot of effort into. Being a part of something bigger than yourself and feeling you mattered through your efforts.
It isn’t something that comes with an ISK value, it’s more of a personal thing.
I’m what you would call a “by the book” gamer, EVE is the only game I play and usually goes to 6 to 8 hours a week nowdays. 11+ years in the game. I have never seen EVE so empty in general.
I just believe this chaos era would have been great if CCP puts work into it with thought, dedication and discipline. I’m an advocate of handing chaos to pilots through real innovation in the form of weapons, modules, ships etc… anything but this mockery.
For me, BO is just a flip of an environment switch a copy - paste from the WH and chaos shouldn’t have derived into lack of content to any real player being PVP, PVE or anything in between.
The BO would not be a problem for me and my team if it had left room to maneuver for all game styles and EVE careers. And don’t take me wrong, it does have some space to work with, just not at our scale. We’re caught in the middle still to decide and unwilling to be part of anything larger. We would like to keep our current status because there was nothing wrong with it and now, while people still discussing if this affected bots, economy, etc, we see that it’s only us, “non-cheating” entities who are being pushed to the edge. Everything else that was affected somehow, was temporary and useless. Hilmar from CCP said it himself: Bots are still there, donutbrellas have grown and there’s the rest.
BO is from this perspective, out of any proportion.
We have downgraded everything. most of alts we used for PVE are dormant, awaiting subs expiry, SOV systems indexes are non existent. We’re not generating PVE content to show our disagreement. I speculate here and there and push people around just to get feedback and see if there are valid arguments but found none heavy enough to change my mind.
We could remain idle for years, I think. But have bled enough pilots to larger entities or other games or RL hobbies. This is unsustainable for us if these rates remain.
EVE was slowly going but this BO has gone too far and aided in steeping the slope. I would love for CCP to deliver quality and back their words with actions.
It’s not gonna happen. I constantly say our money is not good enough for demanding anything better, no one seems to care but I suspect and hope they do.
