… yeah, remind me again where you lot have the renters? Oh, wait, no. They’re not renters on that side of the fence. Why don’t you tell everyone what kind of friendly relations exist between entities on that list and those other “combat alliances”? Or would that not fit your narrative, and pretense that your crap don’t stink.
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Sadly this is EXACTLY why CCP is going the direction it is - Unfortunately it is also not going to have ANY affect on that play style simply because - No-one can or is willing to commit the resources to combat your safety.
We as players need to take responsibility for the state of the game - CCP gave us all tools and mechanics, that for the most part we knew (and told them) would lead to exactly what we have today. Human nature historically shows - If there is a way to make things better for me and my “friends” I’ll do it,
Fozziesov was the beginning of the end for Sov holding alliances. Rorquals added to the problem - Structures compounded it.
Now we have, massive well organised groups of players so entrenched in the space they occupy CCP is desperate to find a solution.
I’m sure Devs and management are aware how futile their current attempts are, how they are not affecting the groups that should be the target of “change”.
My biggest fear is that CCP will continue blindly throwing out things like “blackout” and the so far well guarded secrets behind the “Era of Chaos” and will succeed only in creating an even worse nulsec due to the few Blocs growing ever stronger as smaller groups are absorbed into the might of the Blocs in an attempt to survive.
NB; This is not an attack on you or your play style Arrendis, as much as I dislike Goons I admire what they as a group have been able to accomplish.
I don’t live in Delve but do have the “luxury” of a sizeable Super Umbrella.
I just don’t believe Super Umbrellas should be a requirement for holding space and daily game play for the masses. Sadly this seems to be the direction CCP has chosen with current and proposed changes - Although i don’t think they see it that way, time will tell as it always does.,.
G’head. Look at the list. It’s right there. Tell me what ‘friendly relations’ we’ve got. The rental alliances are riddled with 'em, though. All of 'em. And if you’re gonna tell me we haven’t been saying ‘Renting is bad for the game’ since at least 2013, you’re a liar.
Nope. It’s not. Because the devs aren’t willing to tackle the real problem: Nobody’s going to actually fight the next big war, because nobody can afford to lose that war.
Hey, I completely agree with you. Most of us do. Super umbrellas shouldn’t be necessary for holding space. But as long as they are, we’re gonna have the biggest one we can get.
… read it again. You list a bunch of alliances not appearing on the list, while ignoring that they have very close ties to the ones that do. You lot not having renters, but having the bears in your own fold is kind of the point here. All of the alliances you mention have been infested by botters, hiding behind a thin veneer of “oh no, those are different alliances”.
You’re not that daft that you can’t understand it. Everyone’s got an arseful of botters. You lot just didn’t stuff them in renter alliances. You just instead used the cult mechanics to hide them behind glassy smiles and “no Goonfuckin’ .”
I just don’t see why there’s any point in playing pretend about it, as if you lot are any better than the rest of the nullbears.
Ignore it? Not at all. Like I said: the renter alliances are full of bots. All of them. But since CCP’s been banning players for it, not individual accounts, you’d think if the botters themselves were just alts of people in the main alliances, someone would’ve made the list, hmm?
I’m not saying we are. In fact, I’m openly saying we’re not. None of the major combat alliances are nearly as infested with bots as you want them to be. The data says you’re wrong. You can keep pissing into the wind if you want, but you’re just gonna get it in your own mouth.
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… the data says I’m wrong, you say, without even the slightest idea what kind of data they have. They released none of it. That’s a pie chart with literally none of the data used attached to it. Why would you think the ones botting (this is almost always a significant multiboxing venture) and getting banned for it would be registered on the non-botting main, when the big numbers are in the bot accounts?
Are you seriously going to pretend that all of the major players in null are bot free, but somehow a vast number of players only bot in renter alliances without being tied to any of the major entities? That’s such a stupid notion that I’m offended that you think I’d think so low of you.
Top 25 Alliances by Permanently Banned User (Historical)
So what now, someone gets banned on 10 accounts, that’s 10 users, even though CCP can clearly see it’s not? Who’s the one peddling stupid notions?
Someone gets banned on ten accounts, why would his NancyDotte subcap main and two cap/super alt accounts be the one appearing on the pie chart if the multiboxing botting alts were in the renter alliances? You’re using the lack of the NancyDotte, Horde or Test etc tags on the pie charts as some sort of nonsense proof that they don’t have botters, while that’s an utterly nonsense claim and you know it.
It’s frankly kind of sad. You are capable of pretty interesting posting and writing, but then you go ahead and just embrace the most dishonest and rabid propaganda position that you are way too clever to actually believe. It’s sad and offensive.
Someone gets banned on ten accounts, he should count as ‘1’ for every alliance he’s part of. To do anything less would misrepresent which alliances had members banned.
Example: Someone has alts in Goons, PBLRD, and PIE. He gets banned. Which alliance had a player banned? All 3 of them.
If every null group was so full of bots, the June MER wouldn’t show massive drops in ratting. The bots, after all, could keep on trucking even while the main was doing fleet ops. You can pull the concern troll ‘it’s sad’ nonsense all you like. The data we’ve got don’t support your narrative. Gargle as much as you like, all that piss and vinegar ain’t gonna turn into lemonade.
You know better than that. It’s not concern trolling. It’s condemnation of the traits that ensure I can never actually trust you. The fact that you’ll never feel being honest is something worth the even slightest inconvenience in your chosen organization. I’m not concerned. I’m sad that this is always where it’ll end up. With you lying through your teeth at me.
The fact that you are so incapable of admitting you might be wrong that you need people to be lying to you… that’s what’s sad.
You really going to claim that, when post history can show otherwise in plain text?
On this matter? On literally every single time you’ve decided the null blocs are the root of all evil, and Goons doubly so?
Yeah, I’m willing to let the post record stand for itself. You’ve proven my point dozens of times.
This is because most of the botting comes from goonswarm and ccp is directly hiding that.
I have done hard calculations on their alliance, it will take 30% of them doing 666m/hr none top the entire month for their alliances to generate the isk income they make.
They are definitely Botting. I have seen it myself with supers onlining on gates to aoe dd the gate (spamming it from all directions so approaching the gate for anything is instant death.
If you tell me goons are not botting, im calling you a liar. Lets also not forget ccps recent slip up and how incompetent they are at actually policing and handling the game.
Btw for those of us who actually do work in the industry and are not total retards, we know that higher pieces of software that are less distributed are much harder to track then ones that are. Thus a carefully distributed bot could be eluding ccp.
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… I mean, are you going to pretend nullblocs haven’t been the largest collections of scum in Eve basically since the game’s inception? Not even entities like Snuff managed to compete in that regard. Christ, you’re literally in the alliance that had as a stated goal the intent to ruin the game for everyone else, no matter how much that’s been attempted walked back later. The null blocs are very large collections of the worst people on the internet. It’s not even contested by anyone but you.
Large scale success in Eve has basically always been a function of “how many horrible human beings can be gather”, and it’s been celebrated over the years exactly how much of a bastard you can be in Eve. Betrayals and overwhelming destruction of enemies, etc. Just being a large null-bloc is basically proof of being the worst scum in Eve, because that’s what is required to succeed at that goal in the first place.
Edit: I don’t even mind that. I was one. I just loathe the attempts to pretend otherwise.
You’ve seen multiple people, coordinating over mumble. It’s not hard. So call me a liar. I’ll call you a fool, who lets his prejudice get in the way of seeing the truth.
Stated by the guy who went on to be CCP Sreegs. Who joined Pandemic Legion because we were not to his liking anymore. Because we were no longer the alliance we’d been when he was in charge. People grow up. You should try it.
Your a liar. Goons not only bots, they are the biggest botters in eve.
What i have no figured out yet is if ccp is directly hiding it (which i suspect they are in an effort to allow goons inflate the games economy so they make money off injectors/extracts) or they (ccp) is to stupid to trade higher end software.
with all the people in goons i find it hard to believe they do not have coders capable of making some higher end bots. because of the nature of this type of coding it would be fairly easy to track down who created the software.
Goons are the biggest cheating, exploiting, propaganda spewing ■■■■■■■■ alliance in this game. They should of been massed banned the moment they started running around spewing dogma and religious mockery or spewing “we are here to kill your game”.
Yes, thank you for demonstrating my point. All that hate’s gonna burn you up inside.
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This somehow changes the fact that this was the stated intent of the organization? This somehow is supposed to refute that success as a null-bloc in Eve has always been a result of embracing whatever is the most vile use of game mechanics available, and even the most vile out of game means to succeed?
You keep trying to make it out like your crap don’t stink. I really don’t understand this reluctance to be honest about it. Every successful null-bloc in Eve have been scum in order to achieve it.
That’s way too tall a claim to be made without anything backing it.
Ogod you need to either stop posting or post so much harder, I can’t even tell which. The amusement factor might be outweighed by the amount of aneurysms induced.
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