Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread

A few years ago, like when the frigate sized wormholes were introduced, the forums were a buzz with speculation about using them for advantage with only a few dissenters decrying the loss of safety because wormholes couldn’t be closed off completely.
Now all we see is a denunciation of a change and milking fear for tears - what happened ?

Did the average Null dweller hear the term Nulbear and somehow decide if the shoe fits wear it and cry out in fear over the loss of their perceived security blanket.

Where are the voices saying without local we will be able to do THIS !!
or
We can use this to our advantage HERE !!

Did they all go soft?

EDIT: I somehow managed to reply to Howlien instead of making a new post - oops

The percentage of Bears living in nullsec compared to PvP-ers is overwhelming, so their whines will force CCP to lift the blackout soon enough. They want all the advantages of ratting in nullsec but with no additional risk and CCP will probably give in and give it back to them. When that will happen I will unsub all my 3 pvp accounts :)))))

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Not really sure how moving to a wormhole if you don’t like NO LOCAL is any kind of incentive for those who the Bloks decide to push out of Nul.

Wormhole space is underutilised simply because there isn’t enough players willing to dedicate their time to such a random play style.

I’d start looking for another game now if i were you.

I doubt very much the blackout will become permanent.
1, price of everything player built will go up so much in price
2, Mega groups will ensure this simply by monopoly of supply.

3rd and for me best of all - ALL these “PVP” types saying how good it will be to bring Nul production - mining, ratting, PI etc - to a standstill won’t be able to afford replacement ships without donating money for plex to CCP (or doing the thing they say they want to wipe out - PVE)…

I so love all these PVP guru hero’s who think it is good to kill pve activities in the space where most of the items needed for the ships they fly come from…

Exactly … soon as Nullsec becomes MEGA ALLIANCES, these people that wanted no local will be bowing down to them for ships or paying CCP 50 bucks for a cruiser LOL

It’s the new normal. Adapt or die, or whine in this case. If pve peeps decrease by 50%, those that stay will be very wealthy. Most pvpers have plenty of ships docked up anyway.

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You sound salty and all you really want to do is shoot pve ships without risk, when you should be pvping other pvp ships, but that would be too much risk for someone like you!

Don’t ask them complex questions. Players become crab hunters for a reason.

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Why would you assume that all these “PVP” types are going to be from outside NullSec ?

Do you think there will be a mass migration from outside Null just to kill you rather than increased attacks from within.

There will probably be an increase in attacks from wormholes but then we can build our own T3s so economic warfare has less impact

I’m not “whining” at all - simply using my rights as a player to voice my opinion.
Adapt or Die isn’t new, it has been the way since 2007 when i created my first account.

My ONLY problem with this change is that the Mega alliances will be the “last man standing” if it goes on for too long. Smaller groups won’t be able to compete with them.

And of course those left will benefit the most - Again, sadly it is likely to be the group that don’t need help from CCP to further dominate everything EVE…

Sad sad sad. You are the epitome of an entitled, spoiled little child.

And I laugh at you…and your little bitty tantrum.

Life must just crush you daily.

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You sound salty about not having highsec in nullsec.

When i was writing my ticket i wrote something like: “Due to disagreement with direction of development of the game (example: removal of exploration) and having suspicious in future”. Something like that. Gives them better understanding of your reasons.

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Nah, that’s no different that the fact that sov structures under Dominion regen’d shields if you didn’t shoot them. The real problem they ran into was much older than that: introducing super-capitals without a clear idea of how they and subcaps were supposed to co-exist.

There’s basically 2 possible conditions for the economy: it can either be in accretion, or depletion. If it’s in depletion, where more is being destroyed, in a sustained way, than is being created, you see prices on everything shoot up, and people having problems replacing their ships. After all, in that situation, everything’s getting blown up, faster than it’s getting made. So you will run out.

If the economy’s in accretion (which we are, and always have been), then people are amassing more than is getting blown up. And the thing about accretion is… it’s accretion. It snowballs. So the people who have more have the ability to push harder, longer, in getting more. But if a thing is worth getting[1], then someone will get it. And in an accretion model, if people are building X, then eventually, you’re gonna wind up with a lot of X. It’s inevitable. So, as a developer, before you introduce X, you better have a clear idea of what X’s purpose is, how X interacts with everything else, and what your balancing mechanism is for when X is numerous enough to be considered ‘saturated’.

CCP, famously, thought there’d never be more than maybe 4 titans in the game. They’ve never had an idea of how to handle these things. But these things keep getting built, and because they take so long to build, they have what feels like significant value. Because they have that perceived value, people (in general, there are obviously outliers) are loathe to lose them foolishly. And accretion continues.

Then you add in short-sighted, blatant cash-grab moves like the Rorqual changes when they redid Command Bursts. Everyone know it was too good. Fozzie even said ‘we know this is too good, but we can dial it back later’. But they haven’t, and in some ways, they can’t. People have invested a lot of ISK or even real cash into skill injecting up into Rorqs, because they’re blatantly the best mining ship. Even after the changes to Excavators and improving the mining bursts, a Rorqual using Mining Drone IIs still outperforms a Hulk getting full mining boosts… so it’s always going to be more effective to run 5 Rorqs instead of 1 Rorq + 4 Hulks. And considering the difference in survivability (especially since you can run Shield bursts, since you don’t need the Mining links), the Rorq is easily the more practical investment, too.

Which, again, was all not only predictable, but predicted. And those big toys, from Rorq to Titan, become a problem… because they have that perceived value. If you could burn a titan fleet down and replace it quickly, they’d get tossed around like frigates do. If Rorqs didn’t use fragile little drones that can get wiped out by a couple of bombs but cost more than the capital ship that launched them, people would be more willing to risk that, too.

Added onto the issue of ‘perceived value due to investment’, there’s also the competitive issue. We need as many titans as we can get. Why? Because eventually, All of EVE™ will come after us again, for the crime of existing. If we don’t have enough firepower to win that fight, we’re not properly preparing for it, and we’re wasting our members’ time, effort, and subscription fees. Because every side needs Titans, every side has Titans. And because everyone’s enemies have Titans, everyone needs to get more.

Perversely, having these things means you need them so much, you can’t afford to lose the ones you have. Not in any real quantity. And this is EVE: if you can’t afford to lose it, you don’t fly it.

We have reasons to fight. What we really don’t have is reasons to do is risk. Because the cost of a bad risk could be unrecoverable.


  1. This is one of the big reasons nobody’ll build a Palatine Keepstar: it’s not worth it. For the same materials, you get some ridiculous number of ‘normal’ keepstars. Like, still more than the Imperium owns, even now. So why would you waste all that stuff in a single structure? The people who amass that kind of wealth don’t do it by being stupid enough to build the Palatine.
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Or did they decide ‘hey, maybe I shouldn’t tell everyone else in Null just how I plan to bend them over the hood of a car and violate them with this!’

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Theres only a few mega alliances; theyre practically the same ones that have been there since 2007.

Blackout might be fun for a bit but tbvh once its over theres nothing to keep the pvpers here and the carebears that scream about their pve ships being targets as unfair will have their game back - for a while; but they arent the players that made eve great, theyre not the players that grew eve - eve did not grow as a pve game - all those players, the ones that are subbing for blackout; theyll be gone after.

Das ist der schlechteste Einfall ever. Bevorteilt werden nur die, deren einzige Befriedigung der Blick auf das Skillboard ist. Die nur durch die Gegend ziehen um Miner zu schädigen. Miner und Produzierer werden die Leidtragenden sein. Viele werden das spielen in den Highsec verlegen bzw das spielen einstellen, bis dieser Blödsinn wieder eingestellt wird. Außerdem denke ich , soll auf diese Weise auf Realgeld generiert werden. Viele werden ihre Verluste mit realen Geldmitteln ausgleichen müssen. Vielen wird mit dieser Maßnahme der Spielspass genommen. Wer diese Art von spielen bevorzugt geht ins WH. Es gibt bereits eine solche Zone und deren Erweiterung mach null Sinn.

so CCP decidet to change NS into WH Space, ok, but i dont wana live in WH Space i wana live in NS… -.-
I dont know, if its the best Idee CCP had so far becouse the only one who gets punished are the smal corps and miners…
Not the BIG Allys or those wo have 20 Chars with Roqus to mine…
and thats what i dont understand… Nothig will change, there will be Bots on Gates wich tell ya about every gate activation and thats it…

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I was with suddenly spaceships before that bs happened, shooting at goons; the fights were fun, plenty of bomber ops then loads of other people dogpiled in and started spouting ‘‘we won the war’’ whilst basically taking space that had been evacced… some guy even told me they had been using caps to entosis the space goons had left i was liek wtf, seriously took 4x as long as you needed too… wtaf… then they sat there like the fat bloated plebs they are… its almost like they expected goons to not come back after them… but then many of the people who dogpiled in werent really groups worth any salt.

Holy crap, enough of this nonsense. This does not make Null into J-Space. The differences are still there, and still significant. Your gates still remain in the same place every day. You can still bring as many friends through a system to help you out as you like, without mass issues. You can still light a cyno to call for help.

Enough with the ‘now null is wormholes’ crap.

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