Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread

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I agree part of EVE’s charm is that it’s a niche game. To find out if it is a good fit, you need to play for at least 6 months to a year. Many new players wind up in Null in their first 3 months. That doesn’t mean they belong there, but it is a good idea to get a taste of it to decide if this game is for them.

We already have delayed local in WH space, so that challenge is there for those that want it. WH space also has unique features that balance out the delayed local. Null does not have those features, so implementing it could discourage new players who are trying out Null and not ready for a change that only significantly affects newer players.

CCP was purchased by a VERY capitalist Korean company. So you might want to rethink your perspective that they are following their previous “vision”. Their vision nearly drowned CCP in red ink. Had they not been purchased by Pearl Abyss earlier this year, CCP would already be winding down, and EVE would go with it.

Pearl Abyss is extremely well known for shifting their acquisitions to pay to play. So your argument doesn’t seem to logically fit with the new owners of CCP. I guess we will see if you are correct, but history with Pearl Abyss suggests you are not. You seem to more be the one hoping it will be shaped the way you want it to. I suspect you will be disappointed, but time will tell more than any discussion we have here.

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Lugburz

it amases me how someone can be so smug while being so wrong… Micro jump is not affected by bubbles but clearly you simply don’t understand the concept of chain booshing? Maybe that also means they still would pay for themselves after all and im also wrong but i just don’t like relying on my foes incompetence as a defence so i guess instead of mining ill just keep living off your Loki loot :slight_smile: If you bring enough logi i might even show you my Hel as a reward instead of cheap Hyperions :wink:

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Intel told me there were no reds, dipshit, because there weren’t any. Remember intel channels, in-game map, etc? If there were reds, we knew it. Nice try though.

There is intel, it just isn’t free, you have to put actual effort into getting intel. Now they need to remove a bunch of info from the in-game map and we would have something really special.

Again, so hilarious that you are so terrified of gankers. Where in this game are there NOT gankers? Even high sec has gankers. That’s what you get in pvp games. Adapt or quit.

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After blackout I see 27 000 ppl docked :smiley: WTB local :smiley: or localc exploit

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You can counter local exactly the same way in null that you do in WH.
It isn’t different in that respect.
What is different is null is full of alliances printing isk (huge reward) with nearly no risk. Which has its own impact on the game, like the insane amount of cap proliferation. Titans were meant to be rare and special, but due to the way power creep happened, etc. they no longer are. Now nothing is special in this game because the economy has just too much isk in it.
Blackout is just one little thing that might help with some of this bloat/power creep. I don’t think it alone will do it, but it is a step in the right direction.

As far as CCP becoming all capitalist focused because of Pearl, we will have to see. I pessimistically agree with your assessment that Pearl with influence CCP to betray their vision, but I’m holding onto to hope that they don’t cave. When they do, this will cease to be a game I’m interested in. No big deal, I’ve had lots of fun over the years. I’m not going to shed a bunch of salty tears over it.

But, as long as CCP continues to be the frustrating entity that it is, doing what they think they should do to their own game regardless of the impact on subs, I will keep playing. They have done many, many things over the years that I disagree with, but I keep playing because I like their game. I respect and appreciate the fact that it is THEIR creation, from their vision and I respect them sticking to their guns in keeping it what they want it to be.

Do you fume at authors because you don’t like a sequel to a book and demand they change it? Do you jump all over artists because you don’t like their art? No, you simply choose not to consume the product.
EVE is no different. It is a creative work that really our only right tied to it is to consume it or not.

And when I leave, it won’t matter to anyone, and it shouldn’t.

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This null sec blackout has been some of the most fun I’ve had in nullsec… Ever. Watching traffic around gates and waiting for it to die down so i can jump without being spotted in my strat… Hunting Ratters etc. Had some real close calls, from cross jumping people. To ratting Gilas being a stuggle to fight.

Ive used some of the empty nullsec space where people are too afraid to undock to do a few anoms of my own. All without having random supers and carriers warped to me coz theyre too scared i might have friends they cant see.

10/10 changes… No dotlan. No Zkill. No Local. I wouldnt change a single thing.

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I read a lot here about the fact that Intel is a prog that players should not have initially used and it undermines the atmosphericity of the game. Then what the hell is there data on the killing of NPS by systems and their number? In a region where players must initially be present? Do you want atmospheric? Kill this cheat program and fly across the galaxy, looking for their victims.

I would introduce to increase the fan pvp event of disconnecting Concorde in the empire for a certain period.
He also introduced structures that are installed in wormholes leading to VH, which increased the ship’s permeability both in mass and in size. Such a wormhole cannot be closed until it closes by itself.

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Data pulled from: https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Activity saw an estimated rough average of a 1000 fewer players logged in after blackout initiation

After the twelfth, peak time log ins risen by nearly a thousand, today already showing a peak time log in nearing two to two and half thousand more players than the 12th. If this trend continues, it seems that the event and shake up of null sec has sparked more people to log in.

I also posted this in a completely different thread by mistake, so seeing I needed to edit the body; I’m here to tell you I accidentally fed up someone else’s thread, oops.

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Honestly this data is still far too early to be meaningful. Just because people sub for a month to see the new content doesn’t mean they’ll stick around. TBH I’d say most of the people enjoying it had been tired of the game overall for sometime, and this blackout specifically caters to some of the older players that are bored of the same fleets or blue ball fleet fights and have plenty of isk to waste for a while while they go around and get easy kills. Time will tell, but just because you have a small peak (around 1% up or down) doesn’t really provide meaningful data.

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Hilarious. It saddens me that most won’t get how absolutely fantastic what you said is.

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Which is why I said if the trend continues; Leaving running for at the least a month or even two as then you can have two months to compare side to side. As an interesting note, if you look at two or three months side by side, you will see that player activity tends to spike during the weekends.

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Well yeah, lol, weekends are busier for almost any genre of games, lol. But we’re a far cry from the peak times of the Fountain War. 1k subs (which is indeterminate as there’s no qualifying data to indicate if they are omega or alpha accounts) is a drop in the bucket. But instituting a blackout doesn’t solve the overall problem of the power blocks. And is like putting a band-aid on a much larger problem that is the Eve economy imo.

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It’s kind of interesting how gankers are stupid, talentless, and incapable, and yet, to judge by your posts, a presumably elite master such as yourself is still, apparently, powerless to do anything against them except… log out.

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We currently do not know what other changes they are going to implement along side this one.

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Still a bandaid, and honestly from the data you posted, there’s been a decline of at least 1k accounts over the last week, and at least 1k just today (so far). Again granted it’s an extremely small margine (1%) doesn’t even account for error in any kind of statistical capacity, but I would still say overall it’s indicative that the “I’m subbing just for this” crowd were probably just hoping on the forums/reddit just for lols. and the ones who don’t like it (the ones actually subbing and contributing money) are pulling out.

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One, the login count on sundays is peaking at 19:30 eve time and usually goes above 32k. We’re nowhere near that number.

Two, at current time 7 days ago, the login count was 31470. Two weeks ago, 30212. 3 and 4 weeks ago, somewhat similar. It is 28469 now. Thousands of players are not logging in.

Three, this is data which comes from CCP, and can be falsified by CCP, just like ganked player retention figures were falsified by an order of magnitude, so I assume the real number is even worse.

We’re seeing 5-10% dropout in pure logins on numbers coming from untrusted source (CCP).

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We already establish that you are a narcissist, and potentially a pathological liar. What you say can not in anyway be trusted. People have established multiple times to you that CCP has investors, and it is illegal to lie about their player base.

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You do have some good point Orob, I’m just not of the opinion that the blackout is a real solution to the problem you are mentioning.

CCP is made up of an interesting array of developers, managers, accountants, and even a cold war spook or two. However, they provide the sandbox, and occasionally some new content, but they are not EVE, they only influence it. EVE is the collective gathering of 20,000+ people (on average) who work to gain dominance for their corporation/alliance. But every now and then a change intended to make the game more interesting has the opposite if the intended effect.

The resource redistribution that led to the Fountain War is an excellent example. For a while, it really shook up space, and the battles were epic. Very few conflicts since can be compared to it in terms of driving the player base to do real gut grinding PVP where the screen is filled with explosions. Eventually though, one group achieved dominance, and since they have become one of the most dominant in the game. That long term result needs another shakeup.

They could have continued the drive by randomly shifting the resources every 2-4 years instead of doing the redistribution once and then walking away. Similarly, rolling blackouts with no warning would be more interesting. Every week, or even each day at downtime, shift the blackout to different systems or regions in Null. Then it’s not like WH space, gives an added advantage/disadvantage to all groups if they can reach the system/region, and adds some flavour to the game. But the blackout alone, and the uncertainty as to its duration is less palatable in my opinion.

Your artist comparison is an interesting one, but it should be noted that some artists (notably commercial ones) seek feedback to improve their work. CCP definitely fits into to this category, or there would not be a CSM. So clearly they want to know what we as the player base, wish to consume.

As for when/if you choose to leave, we should all care. Every player adds to this amazing creation we call EVE. Your opinion is as important as mine, we may not agree on all things, but we should be open to what each of us have to say.

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  1. Not people, just one undereducated moron. Not multiple, he only made one fail attempt.
  2. They were mistaken, PCU inflation doesn’t count as investor fraud. They can even log in their own accounts, any number of them, and pretend this is real, so it’s not a “lie”.
  3. Even if we assume, for the sake of discussion, that in the pink unicorn world you’re living in, ■■■■ is real, you can’t lie about anything to an investor, all you need to do is to show investor the real numbers, and fraudulent numbers to public, as you’re obviously allowed to lie to public.
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they log it just to see what is going on…100% of them are docked

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