Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread

[Zorg-Borg]

@Xialis

Adapt now, 'cause you’ll be well behind when it goes permanent!

I hope you are mistaken and this is temporary difficulties. Let the locale return !!!

[Yrgrasil]

@Orca_Platypus

Quite naturally, umbrella supers are not as affected as the rest of us.

Subcapital life is eradicated completely, and normal capitals can operate only in space either under umbrella with FAX on call, or out of supercap gankers range (my space being neither, we are being supercap-dropped every so often, and you don’t see me complaining about that, remember I do agree nullsec should be dangerous… for everyone, that is, no safe space for ganktards).

there is still plenty of subcaps around ratting in esoteria, just look at zkill. Of course you’ll now say they are all dying and not very smart people. But well, if you have actually logged in you would see that lots more of camps is ongoing which keeps most of the ganks out, or safe at least time to safe the miners/ratters. Also lots of baiting is ongoing.

All in all it seems that even ratting in subcaps is still worth it if you play together with other people, and most of the actions which are successful used don’t even need capitals at all.

[Xialis]

@Zorg-Borg

Adapt now, 'cause you’ll be well behind when it goes permanent!

I hope you are mistaken and this is temporary difficulties. Let the locale return !!!

And the AFK VNIs, bots, AFK miners, instant local intel… No thank you!

[Eryn_Velasquez]

@Xialis

Adapt now, 'cause you’ll be well behind when it goes permanent!

Allready did - unsubscribed 12 accounts

[Litsea_Reticulata]

CCP is getting desperate, they’re offering free SP to log in now.

[Kilon_Alios]

yeap after the blunder of local chat, which was never fixed, then it was the ban blunder then its the blackout blunder. 2018 and 2019 have not been very nice to CCP

They are in roller coaster of terrible decision making.

[Zorg-Borg]

where did you see afk miners? I’m always on the watchman, orc and 2 hulk dug a lot in afk)) you probably never dug in the null sec

[Black_Ambulance]

next patch should bring broken d-scan

[Sophia_Mileghere]

I would prefer asset Safety.

[Flan]

Personally I have had a ■■■■ week in Eve. I live in Delve/Querious as a solo player. I randomly lost a ship to a rat incursion, no big deal really and in theory could’ve happened anytime, but has never happened to me in 14 years. 3 nights I went roaming for a fight and couldn’t even find anyone, literally hours of my life wasted while I wandered about Dscanning saying repeatedly “there’s lots of people playing where the ■■■■ is everybody?”
I only started pvping recently and part of me actually thought the blackout might be a good thing long term but it has killed pvp in my area. Usually each week, someone will bubble camp a gate near me at some point in the week. This increased to 3 bubble/gatecamps this week and none of them were up for long and I couldn’t get a fight, even in a ratty t1, as they kept running away. So the situation is that the blackout has encouraged some people to nervously try some pvp stuff that’s new to them, that’s good, but shouldn’t their corp be encouraging /training them in those activities anyway.
The only people I’ve seen this week are my neighbours that live in null and are part of large corps, all the randoms have disappeared. It’s been a very strange and frustrating week which I blame totally on the Blackout.
Well done CCP you’ve stopped any noobs from ever coming to null on their own on random trips and made solo pvp just that bit further out of reach for a lot of players .

[Gay_ForJAY]

And thanks CCP for that other “RMT” thing you just had on the other day. I got my self 5 of those packs so I can add 10 chars on my skill-farm for 3 months. Soon don’t even have to log in to get “iskies for my toonies”. So they say this is not a “pay to win game” right So much winning here

edit: I might log in with those chars to get that extra 650,000 skill points per char to grab. Thanks CCP!

edit2: oh I totally forgot that to get those “free” skils you don’t actually need to login into the game just into the menu, Thanks!

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Flan

I live in Delve/Querious as a solo player.

If you’ve been roaming Querious, that is part of the issue. Querious Fight Club is pretty dead. I’ve got a few sleepers in Querious and most of the locals remain docked.

[Orca_Platypus]

@Xialis

Adapt now, 'cause you’ll be well behind when it goes permanent!

I doubt I will stick around should it get permanent, definitely not if current balance issues it creates are not addressed. As it stands now, subcap pve has been eradicated, and caps are only usable if you spam them enough to deter under-bloc-tier supercap droppers, which my group can’t do, especially in the condition of no mining to replace losses.

@Yrgrasil

there is still plenty of subcaps around ratting in esoteria, just look at zkill.

You do understand that subcaps that got on zkill are no longer ratting in esoteria?

@Yrgrasil

Of course you’ll now say they are all dying and not very smart people.

A very safe bet, isn’t it?

@Yrgrasil

But well, if you have actually logged in you would see that lots more of camps is ongoing which keeps most of the ganks out, or safe at least time to safe the miners/ratters.

How does that help against covert nullified stuff again?

@Yrgrasil

Also lots of baiting is ongoing.

Baiting is not mining/ratting, it’s just sitting there staring at people staring at rocks, how long can you keep doing this before getting fatally bored? How many groups actually have manpower to do this in any significant capacity, when smaller groups required all hands mining to build a single cap per week?

@Yrgrasil

All in all it seems that even ratting in subcaps is still worth it if you play together with other people

No, not worth it. No amount of people would save you from a blops drop, unless the whole fleet is following you to each site, meaning you all get peanuts. The only exception is umbrella space, that can titanbridge defenders on top of anything semi-instantly, which Esoteria is.

@Yrgrasil

and most of the actions which are successful used don’t even need capitals at all.

Subcapitals in nullsec don’t get much more than subcapitals in hisec. Being able to use caps is the whole point of being in nullsec, and capital is not something replaced easily, meaning within current meta outside umbrella they can’t be used.

[Chequrself]

And I was sure CCP said they were going to be monitoring the stats. What for I guess? So they can sit back and see how fast they can kill the game?

[Gay_ForJAY]

@Chequrself

can kill the game

True EvE been DeD for years now.

[Chequrself]

I don’t think so it has just been different I have been playing since 06 and have stopped and started a few times now. Each time has had its frustrations but I always found a rhythm and managed to have fun.

This is the first time I have ever been legitimately angry at the decision making and at the need of others to force there preferred way to play on everyone else just so they can wave their imaginary e-peen.

[Savotien_Valpurgis]

Meanwhile in WH space

https://br.inyour.space/?s=1002217,1002002,1002029&b=8698860&e=210&t=gh

[Onictus]

@Orca_Platypus

First of all, aligned barges mean a few things, for example NO FLEET HANGAR because you’re aligned out and go out of range all the time. This completely eliminates barges that don’t actually suck at mining (Covetor and Hulk). Next is how much barges a single person can manage in this mode, which would in my case be ONE - and trust me, barge mining is simply not worth the time on a single barge (and not even a good one) - nullsec rewards aren’t that much higher than hisec if you aren’t in rorq/super, the whole point is that they scale better with multiple accounts, and managing to align AND mining of two barges are outside my multiboxing capability because I’m not an octopus.

So you don’t have a base idea of mechanics its quite possible and easy to manage.

@Orca_Platypus

No, it’s a matter of game balance where the whole idea of subcapital gameplay just got removed.
The point of risk is non-existent, in a subcap, you die, period, that’s certain, and certain is when risk becomes cost, which, given how low rewards are, is not covered by maximum potential profit.

If anything subcap play is INCREASED you don’t have to worry about a cyno getting ahead of you…they can’t see you coming ten jumps out.

Unless they are eyes on watching gates…but I know. Effort you can’t deal with that.

[Yrgrasil]

@Orca_Platypus

Baiting is not mining/ratting, it’s just sitting there staring at people staring at rocks, how long can you keep doing this before getting fatally bored? How many groups actually have manpower to do this in any significant capacity, when smaller groups required all hands mining to build a single cap per week?

you will be suprised, but you can rat decently in a bait vni or similiar ship. Even the tick % doesn’t drop by a huge amount. In Groups you don’t even need all of them in pvp fits, just enough to hold the target down until the cavalry arrives.

@Orca_Platypus

How does that help against covert nullified stuff again?

It seems that not all people are as smart as you, and most systems have either not a covops cyno 24/7 active or at least not drop as soon as you start doing something there.
But i heard some weird people actually just countered these by own nullified covert ops as soon as they saw that there is someone active, and just killed them and got spacerich through the loot.
But thats definitely fakenews. Nobody ever in eve had the idea to actually do something else then docking up when hostiles come in their space. Only retards would do something which could justify the risk vs reward.

@Orca_Platypus

No, not worth it. No amount of people would save you from a blops drop, unless the whole fleet is following you to each site, meaning you all get peanuts. The only exception is umbrella space, that can titanbridge defenders on top of anything semi-instantly, which Esoteria is.

Yeah, i like how you checked zkill and analysed the kills. It is completly true that everytime some hunter in test died it was because they titanbridged a whole fleet on it.

@Orca_Platypus

Subcapitals in nullsec don’t get much more than subcapitals in hisec. Being able to use caps is the whole point of being in nullsec, and capital is not something replaced easily, meaning within current meta outside umbrella they can’t be used.

True, another excellent analysis. The math shows clearly that a covetor in highsec makes the same money in null, if both mine veldspar.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

I have no idea what you are saying, but I have to agree whatever you are saying makes more sense than this business with no local.