today been talking in corp chat with dif people and trying ti help newbie about his request on proper ship for lvl 3 missions. SO as usual a Macha name popped up which i counter with newer alternative a Loki.
[Loki, lvl3 blitz]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II x2
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
720mm Howitzer Artillery II x5 , Quake M
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II x2
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Suggesting that a new player should look at either a Machariel or a Loki for level 3 missions is ridiculous. Odds are they will outgrow L3 missions before they train the support skills to fly either ship properly.
I used a Gnosis for L3 missions - theyāre cheap, easy to fit, forgiving of new player mistakes and bonused for whatever weapon system they want to use.
If you really want to spend more, a Gila or Cynabal will clear L3s a lot faster than a battleship and a lot cheaper than a T3C.
Mach is overkill for blitzing L3s; large guns means your dps projection and application are worse than you think. At the very least, you will be downshipping 1 size (BS shooting a BC), though most of your targets will be cruisers or smaller. Overhead cost on large vs medium ammo will cut into profits as well.
A ship using medium weapons is going to work better. An artycane would be cheaper and complete L3s just as fast, if not faster than a mach. Maybe a bit slower than a loki, a lot cheaper isk and sp wise, though.
If you want to crush L3s as far as you can for standings gain, isk and sp is no problem an arty sleip will clear grid faster than just about anything else, one-shells rat frigates and destroyers.
o/ thanks for linking that old one source iām fully aware of that discussion but as you should be aware since 2015 some changes happened with t3cās. And since both Stoic and Ion not appeared on forums on the same topic iām looking for new alternative which is Loki.
itās not ridiculous since the person weāve talked in the corp chat was considering ANY ship to try for that purpose and i didnāt mentioned itās gonna be āapply to allā as a must.
to run lvl 3 and blitz those you should feel the difference arenātā you?
of course there are some changes to t3c, but i found it still comparable. searched the stoicthread yesterday but did not found it
maybe made some tests with your mates. the arty has a ridicoulus cycletime compared to railguns as @JC_Mieyli statet. anyway a mach or loki will do both a fast job. as for l3 i would also think about a polarized version.
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Honestly, that is all very wrong. I remember I used to do lvl 3 missions in T1 Algos and Catalyst with all T1 mods, weapons and tank. There were 1 or 2 I had to avoid cause they took me forever to finish. If your corpmate needs something like a Machariel or a T3C for lvl 3 missions there is something extremely wrong with the player and the corp.
Most regular T1 combat cruisers or battlecruisers are plenty for lvl 3 missions (excluding logi, ECM, etc.). Save the BS and T3Cs for level 4s.
Hmm, thanks for pointing polarized weapons, completely missed those. I have reworked original fit would link that laters and add one with poly weapons as well.
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
āPosseā Adaptive Invulnerability Field
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
The interdiction sub gets the warp speed up, but has a big agility tradeoff. Iād assume a warp speed proteus would out do it as it can get the warp speed from a different sub and doesnāt also lose a slot, plus 250mm rails are good. I havenāt used one since before the t3c rebalance but it was really good before that and didnāt lose too much. Might want to shift the meta level around on a few mods, fits a bit expensive but seems almost no one is ganking mission runners anymore, especially in out of the way systems, and if you are blitzing lv3s Iām guessing you are probably in an out of the way system.
[Proteus, Warp speed blitz]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Shadow Serpentis Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Auto Targeting System I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
and supers are overkill for anoms might as well just use a VNI. Sure an arty cane is way cheaper than a Mach, but no way does it do lv3s faster. Sleipnir might be some better competition, but again I really doubt it. And sure for a newb Iād suggest going for that arty cane as it is far easier to get into and will do the missions at an acceptable rate, but for top tier blitzing, no way, thatās a completely different game.
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Shadow Serpentis Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Auto Targeting System II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Infiltrator II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
It has a bit less PG so it needs a rig for it, Also has a bit more optimal and better drones.
Looks like it should do a good job, the extra optimal is always nice. I would just expect it to be a bit slower overall due to the warp speed difference. The high dps ships pretty much blow things up as fast as they can lock, combat time is often the shortest part of a lv3 mission. warp speed becomes the biggest bottleneck.
Thx CSP iād check your fit and compare with railgu, the warp speed in blitzing is a major issue since you do only worry about to finish the mission trigger and not wasting time on bounty cause LP is your main target.
Unfortunately any BC (until we see one from Angel Cartel ) would come close to T3 or Macha.
Iād say Macha is a working horse and you just love it for the overall performance but T3C is kind of walking on hte edge since more skill intensive and require pro piloting.
I think the topic is overall covered here: warp speed good, DPS on target, Machariel owns, etc. I just want to add that the one thing you definitely donāt care about while blitzing is drone damage. Nothing will slow you down as much as waiting for those damn things to do their ā ā ā ā ā ā ā jobs. Missiles are slightly better, but drones for blitzing are just the worst.
) would come close to T3 or Macha.