First off, I have both refused medicine and stopped taking medicine mid course.
Second, I deemed the risk necessary in prior cases and this I deem unnecessary.
Nothing got nuked.
Its almost as if you don’t realize how rushed these vaccines were and how the data on vaccine injury is still being compiled. The data is NOT there.
Plus its also not just about death, but also about paralysis, disfigurement, chronic pain, organ damage, and a whole bunch of other things that can go wrong.
Plus, plus its also not just about the vaccine,but also mistakes and improper handling. Hell, some people just got the wrong injection, and that could have been very bad.
Because you are an ignorant child who doesn’t understand risk mitigation, herd immunity, etc. You are arrogant enough to think that your amateur theories outweigh the near-unanimous opinion of the experts in the relevant fields: that the vaccines are safe, effective, and you should get one as soon as possible.
how rushed these vaccines
They weren’t. As I have told you over and over and over again the shortcuts that were taken were financial ones, and the only risk was to the company’s profits. The vaccines were still required to go through the necessary trials and demonstrate their safety and effectiveness.
The data is NOT there.
The data is there. That’s why the safety trials were approved. What isn’t there is the data you want to see, the data that justifies your childish refusal to get the vaccine.
Hell, some people just got the wrong injection, and that could have been very bad.
Your desk could collapse and kill you while you post on this forum, and yet here you are doing it anyway.
I understand them and you are over-reacting to this one virus at the expense of all else in the world.
As you have opined over and over. I don’t agree with your opinion. And the reason is my knowledge of how things like this have played out in history so very many times.
So you say. Without links.
I bullt it myself along with most of the chair. I trust myself more than anyone. Experience has taught me this, including experience with doctors…and carpenters.
I am not overreacting to it at the expense of all else. I am appropriately reacting to it at the expense of ignorant children like you.
I don’t agree with your opinion
I don’t care if you do. The facts are non-negotiable and you are wrong. It is not merely my opinion that the vaccines were not rushed in a way that compromised safety, it is indisputable fact.
So you say. Without links.
The links have been provided previously, and you can find the information in plenty of sources if you have a good-faith effort in doing so.
I trust myself more than anyone.
Then you are an idiot and a narcissist. Part of being a responsible adult is understanding that you can’t know everything and need to trust the experts.
You type and type and type and cannot even just name the source, or who provided it, or some other clue? You were not even clear if it was in this thread or not.
Useless. So very utterly useless on such a basic point and you wonder why people don’t listen to you? Or do you? You don’t really seem to care about any of this. Your actual goals must be something more personal and selfish.
When you demonstrate a good-faith effort to get and understand information you might receive sources. But when “SOURCES PLZ” is clearly nothing more than an argument tactic you will be treated like the ignorant child that you are and told to go do your own research.
I very much doubt that even if you were given a source, and we wasted a great deal of time finding sources, you wouldn’t be able to distinguish the reliability of it anyway.
Don’t forget disputing the legitimacy of every single source. Government sources have ideological reasons for lying, medical industry sources are tainted by profit motives, etc. The only source that will be acceptable will be one that tells him what he wants to believe. I’ve been through this with him in previous threads, no matter how many sources you provide they will never be acceptable.
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Thank you for admitting you have not already found sources to substantiate your opinion, and otherwise suck at it so badly you consider it “a waste of time” to do so, just because you fear one guy won’t be swayed by them.
And right on schedule, there’s the dishonest use of “SOURCES PLZ” as an argument tactic. Because apparently in Renly world anyone who has knowledge of a subject always has a list of links ready to copy/paste into forum arguments on demand.
It’s not like my claims are hard to verify if you really think im lying to you. But assuming everyone is lying to you as your default position is pretty ridiculous.
Yep.
Something you don’t appreciate as you insist that I “listen to the experts” is that we generally don’t get information from experts, much less the experts we want to hear from. What we generally get is pre-selected experts voices funneled in our ears by the media. And web searches are stacked like a deck of cards in a crooked game.
You don’t get information from experts. Some of us know how to look at source material directly, or have relevant professional experience.
But at least you’re honest enough to admit that you are going to declare that any media/web/etc source is “stacked like a deck of cards in a crooked game” and can be rejected if it doesn’t align with your existing beliefs.
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Its not my job to support your claims. Provide proof or learn to accept being discounted a bit better.
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Make up your mind. If your claims are easy to verify, then providing evidence should be a snap.
Which experts do you want to hear from and why.
Yeah but then I’ll be accused of cherry picking stuff that agrees with me so…
Lets just face it, you won’t accept any evidence.
Exactly. If it’s easily available and can be posted to a forum discussion it’s “pre-selected experts voices funneled in our ears by the media” or “stacked like a deck of cards in a crooked game”. Unless of course it’s a source that agrees with Renly like his Fox News article, in which case it will be treated as legitimate.
(BTW, fun fact: Fox News has literally won a court case by arguing that they are an opinion site/channel and therefore can not be required to speak only the truth.)
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Yet have massive trouble cutting and pasting exerpts or links to said material? I don’t think so.
Thank you for that. You have just provided a very hard stack of evidence why your opinion is fit only to be discounted.
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I clearly said “web searches” were stacked. You claimed I said “any media/web/ etc. source”. Your motive aside, this is what you did, and its typical of you.
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I never declared anything could be rejected according to my existing beliefts.
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I ask for evidence and you just make excuses not to post any.
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Just the way you turn everything into an attack shows your level of concern about the actual topic at hand; none.
Yeah well, I think it’s pretty inappropriate of you to expect people to waste their time finding sources for you when you are going to ignore whatever is presented to you because you have no intention of changing your mind.