I self censor my self.
@Jint_Hikaru & @Daichi_Yamato
Oh no, it not that, It just gets f****** old when there a red or neut going afk, I just go somewhere less to mine to rat and it just sad but most alliances but the very big ones don’t have a 24/7 standing force that ready to cyno drop to help someone.
So it’s better to not do anything than form up in t1 cruisers and t1 logi and rat in groups?
You won’t make as much maybe. But a little is better than nothing. And you’ll make many times more than the fleet is worth before you get dropped.
The problem is, people who cant/wont rat because of an afk cloaker are the ones trying to play in null sec alone or who need complete safety to rat. Neither of these players belong in null.
Learn to play with others. A little income is better than nothing.
Or if they are a small corp move to a WH and learn to seal the system for PvE. No more afk Cloakies, and mining/PvE to their hearts content.
If you think closing wormholes makes your system safe, good luck with that
Of course not entirely, but it helps. As does having a standing fleet for support. It also means any interlopers are trapped with you.
If a player doesn’t want to work to support their space, they shouldn’t move somewhere where thtat is expected.
I totally agree with you.
Says the guy in a 5 man corp living in LS. You obviously have no clue about what goes on elsewhere.
Yeah, I’ve seen similar replies to comments elsewhere in this thread. That’s just dumb. None of us should want anyone to leave this game.
How would you know living in high-sec ? It’s not up to you to decide how anything affects or should affect anyone else. Obviously a lot of people are affected by it. And you can put that ego-polishing ■■■■■■■■ aside - this toon is a combat-only pilot, but as others have also said, a lot of us also have indy/mining/pve toons besides our combat toons.
Putting a 24/7 cloaky camper in a system (and every other system in a region) is easy. Dealing with it is not, and only those who are living with it knows. Everyone else … well, you basically have no clue.
I’ve lived everywhere in eve. And when i was in null i ratted with hostiles in system. Check my lossboard. In 6 months i lost a noctis. Big whoop. It’s possible to make many times the value of a ship between attacks.
If afk cloaking affects you, it’s probably because you are unorganised and anti-social. Null sec is not for you.
Your 5 bill. kills/losses since 2010 just emphasizes that you really have no place in this discussion.
Riiight. Cause i can only have one char right?
Your emphasis on killboards suggests you don’t have any real arguments. Instead you think having the biggest dick determines right or wrong.
You were the one asking me to look at your killboard. I did and I concluded. Anything else you want me to look at ?
You were already looking at peoples killboards before I told you to check a loss mail. No one forced you to make judgements on people credibility based on kill boards. You did that all on your own.
As if pressing f1 on a few titans with this char would add weight to my argument…
If I’m to take into consideration how you suggest to solve a problem or claim that there isn’t a problem I also have to take into consideration your credibility and knowledge as well as experience on the subject matter.
Yeah, my posts do all that. I’ve been talking about this topic for a good half decade.
But rather than address the arguments and topic at hand, you are looking for reasons to discredit people so you don’t have to. Do you know what ad hominem is? Or a smear campaign?
Actually, that was what you did, and I responded in kind.
Really? you claim that you know about the different aspects of the game because you “also have indy/mining/pve toons besides our combat toons”
Yet you then (in the same post) tell other people their opinions are invalid due to the research you have done on their posting character.
Seriously?
Then you don’t know what it is.
You’re right, I haven’t RMTed. Perhaps there is something unique about the RMT/renter trash experience that would give me some more understanding, but I don’t feel like sinking to that level.
PS: alts exist.
Yeah, I’ve seen similar replies to comments elsewhere in this thread. That’s just dumb. None of us should want anyone to leave this game.
Nonsense. The reason EVE has survived where countless competitors have failed is that EVE’s developers started with a vision of what EVE should be and did not care if that meant that many people would try the game and decide that it isn’t for them. If someone is not the sort of player that EVE is meant for then they should leave the game ASAP. And the developers should certainly not pander to them at the expense of compromising EVE’s core identity. Trying to appeal to everyone means failure and death.
Dealing with it is not, and only those who are living with it knows.
Dealing with it isn’t supposed to be easy. Ability to handle AFK cloakers is one of the things that separates good alliances from renter trash. The good alliances leave no weak points for the AFK cloaker to threaten, the renter trash whine and cry because they want nullsec to be 100% safe for their RMTing and expect to be able to solo farm in a PvE fit ship while paying minimal attention to their own safety. Stop expecting nullsec to be easy and accept that it is a difficult test where failure is always an option, and you may find yourself evicted back to highsec because you can’t handle it.
Wow. You’re as ■■■■ at forum pvp as you are in-game.
Back on point.
Why do you assume I want null-sec to be safe ? I haven’t said that. What I and others have tried to communicate is that cloaky camping is unbalanced. It is very easy to do cloaky camping and present a threat, whether real or not - only the camper really knows - but very difficult to counter. That’s the imbalance.
Null-sec shouldn’t be safe for anyone and that should also include the cloaky campers who are very safe in their cloaks that never de-cloak, except when logging back in after downtime.