I agree with you in a way there shloud be campers and risk while playing EVE and having a camper in system increases that risk, it just shouldn’t be allowed cloaking from DT to DT without the player interference from time to time, put a clock on a cloacker like every 2 hours he decloaks and he can’t cloak for the next 10 min, I cloud scan him and fight, bring action to the game
Not against cloaking just asking for a fighting chance.
And please be polite, princess 
There are a myriad of ways to counter a cloaky camper and render him incapable of doing anything at all. You just have to put in the effort to actually secure the space you’re using.
Well how?? If you can’t find him, there is a tiny little change of scan him right after DT when he logs in but if he’s smart he knows that.
And I’m not debating against campers it’s the fact that they can “play” without playing for 24/7 that is wrong and needs fixing.
I’m not sure that is a “fact” something is wrong - that is just an opinion of yours. As you allude to with your quotes, they aren’t playing the game if they are AFK, and not gaining anything from being logged in. Literally their only effect on the game universe is putting a name in local chat just like they would if they were docked up and wandered away from the keyboard. They gain no resources or anything else.
I see no reason why there is something automatically “wrong” with being logged into the game and then stepping away from the keyboard. People stay docked for hours on end while they do other stuff or even walk away from their computer and there is no problem. I don’t see why when someone does that cloaked from a safe spot it is now “wrong” but if they did so while docked in a station it would be fine. You can’t do anything while cloaked.
Sorry you got it wrong, the problem it’s not campers but yes the fact that they use cloak because it’s safer, if a camper it’s inside a POS the POS would go down , if the camper it’s docked in station I can control him and even kill him if he undocks, there is a reason that they stay cloaked it’s for safety, it’s a shame that they can use a cloak for ever, like I said before put a timer on a cloaky camper and the game is on back again.
Cant. Because then null bears know how long they have to wait before the cloaker can be forced out.
You shouldn’t know they are even there. Let alone that it’s a matter of time before they are forced to move.
We would kind of, not exactly, and we still wouldn’t know where the camper is, he would have time to move, I’m not asking a situation like the Abyss while you are doing a site you have a trace that can be scanned and you can be ambushed when you finish the site. I’m not asking for that, same game mechanics nothing need to change apart from people from time to time need to be on the computer to take control, if not they need to dock up that’s what a station is for. It’s not fair for game mechanics to work 24/7, it only needs to be set up after DT and see you tomorrow.
And your point of view honestly, it’s not fair for us to know where he is, but he can know where we are all the time without us knowing if he’s there or not, AFK cloaky camper do not play eve online they are just there taking advantage of a feature that is way due to be revised, cloak can’t work forever, when you shoot your guns don’t you have to reload and press to shoot again?? And the fact that we could make them to move it’s PVP, while cloacking it’s not. It’s AFK influence shouldn’t be allowed.
When I’m playing but want to be online, for reasons like market and such, I dock up or sit on a POS.
They can’t dock in a station where they are.
Says who? you?
Bearing in mind they don’t do anything it seems very fair to me.
You’re free to afk cloak him back. You choose not to. You cant complain that youre not earning the benefits of a mechanic youre choosing not to use.
It looks like its going to be with Observatory Arrays. It seems like you are going to lose local in null. Which will solve all the problems.
Guns have an affect on the game and on other players. Cloaks just mean you cant find someone. You cant make isk with it, or hurt someone with a cloak.
Its more the opposite. More content and PvP happens because of afk cloaking than would without it. But if we get rid of local, itd be even better.
The influence is entirely inferred. Its only allowed because you let it. Plenty of people get on just fine ratting/mining with a cloaker present.
Is your choice. You don’t have to, and its not at all unfair if you didn’t.
At the end of the day, this comes down to local. Without it, AFK cloaking doesn’t happen (it apparently didn’t happen when local wasn’t working properly according to CCP Fozzie). It is the root of the whole AFK cloaking issue and you aren’t touching cloaks without changing local at the same time. You aren’t meant to have infallible intel that tells you exactly when it is safe to undock and exactly when a bad guy enters system. This is why AFK cloaking has been left as is for so long. Its the only way to create doubt and the only viable way to hunt null bears.
Of course they can’t dock it’s called SOV space if cloaker wantit come and get it from us on a fair fight
Yes me you should be playing a game that you are not actually on it no matter what, basic stuf a game is to be played
Why would I do something that I don’t agree in the first place??? So I’ll just cloak and then what?? Sorry mate I like to play EVE online
That would be a WH
Back again on this nothing should be allowed to be used without player to take control of it from time to time that’s why we are players
Then again I’m not debating WH mechanics that it’s a choice
repeating my self to you, campers are ok and fine if from time to time they arre “forced to take control” nothing should be allowed to set up and come back tomorrow, it’s AFK influence, it’s not playing EVE
At the end of the day local issues are CCP problem to solve at this point seams all ok and ships lost durting that period were reinbursed, having intel means our players are online playing the game, the very oposite of AFK stuff, my very point since the start, it’s a network of people working together, a AFK camper it’s not and AFK was left for so long and it’s over due to be revised like they did on PI was what 10-11 years??
And I’m sorry I do hunt in null sec without AFK cloaky camper you just have to know how, honestly let them tell on their intel that we are coming and I’m ready for a fight that’s the all point of a roam and so on.
But let’s not break away from what it really matters nothing should be allowed on EVE online without players to take control from time to time no mater what it is, AFK cloaky campers need to be revised
There’s no reason to log someone off for being afk. Not liking it or being afraid of someone who may or may not be there isn’t a reason.
Like ganking, CCP could have stopped this with a very simple change anytime they wanted. But the truth is, AFK cloaking leads to content and keeps nullbears in check. Which takes me to the other reasons nullbears get laughed out of every AFK cloaking thread they make; what balance proposal do you offer in the absence of afk cloaking? As of right now, null sec rewards are barely within game breaking limits and are prone to swing massively with buffs and nerfs. Anyone with an ounce of a noggin can tell you that you cannot take away afk cloaking without nerfing null ratting somewhere somehow.
PI is a great example. It has been changed little since its first iteration because although its not riveting gameplay, its BALANCED as far as the grander game goes. Its not unfair in the same way afk cloaking isn’t unfair. And it helps the economy go round in the same way afk cloaking does. And, hilariously, the latest changes had ZERO game play impact. They were purely QOL and cosmetic. I think you just played yourself.
Sorry mate you are a bit off topic here
I’m not here to change your mind I’m here exposing an idea of game play that is, if CCP cannot prove that someone is actually behind the screen taking control from time to time and playing the game, that player needs to dock up, the point here is you shouldn’t be allowed to use any hability of your ship indefinitly, a Rorqual if you don’t compresse the ORE form time to time it will fill up and this is only one example, you what I mean?? For you to be flying a spaceship you need to be behind the screen Cloak it’s the only thing you can use indefinitly, CCP cannot prove that someone it’s actually there or us, makes no sence to allow it.
If people are not playing the game they need to dock up, if they want to be cloaking campers they need to be there some how at least from time to time.
Players have to play
Am alpha so no cloak but can I bring a quad stabbed rifter?
Daichi, you’re wasting your time. He’s just another single-minded whiner. The best course of action is to just ignore him.
Why do you need to find the camper? PvE in a 50-man fleet of PvP ships. The AFK cloaker is now countered because any attempt to decloak and fight is suicide. The problem is not the cloaker, it’s that you feel entitled to solo farming with negligible risk and whatever theoretical maximum ISK/hour you calculated for your perfect farming setup.
But they are. Its a form of meta-gaming that requires hiding whether you’re actually present or not. Its playing the game, even when you’re not at your keyboard. In the same way people can make deals in out of game mediums without using the client.
You have no problem with someone speeding off into space in a MWD-cap stable frig. You have no problem with someone cloaked forever in hi-sec. You have no problem with someone sat in a station.
You only have a problem with someone ‘afk’ when they may actually not be and could pose a threat, for obvious reasons of course. But that is the whole point of null and if you can’t take it you shouldn’t be there. (which is why the defacto response is ‘Get out of null then’. But you’re all clearly happy to stay there despite the frequency of AFK cloaking) .
Finally, you’re showing your ignorance (wilful ignorance i suspect) when you try to deny the relationship that local has in all of this and even more so by believing you should know when a bad guy is there or not. Unfortunately for you, there have been multiple hints from CCP that any changing of cloaks (which will most likely happen with Observatory Arrays) is going to come with changes to local. Probably because its clear to all but the most self entitled of bears, that the two have a very close relationship.
Watch this space.
Anyway, all of your complaints are fixed by removing local. If local is no longer there then you no longer see the AFK cloaker and it no longer has any effect on you.
Just to sum again local it’s not the issue Dscan is, if the camper had to dock or uncloack, I would have a hunting/ fighting chance, gameplay
If you want I can explain you in detail but again also campers are fine but to use cloak indefinitly it’s not no matter where, there is nothingelse that you can use indefinitly for protection, put a frig with stable MWD and I’ll kill him ceptor or whatever
we would all live in WH space?? but then again that’s not the issue here
then again that’s not the issue that was a reply to someone
Because local is the only difference between nullsec and w-space, right? Just another game mechanic you appear to be completely ignorant about.
There is no issue. If there were, CCP would have given a ■■■■ in the past 12 years and fixed it. But alas the mechanic is perfectly balanced and that’s why CCP isn’t doing anything about it. No matter how much you whine about it.